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Anyway, i’ve sent them you in another email... Keith From: Anton Xuereb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 November 2007 12:38 To: Malta Linux User Group - general list Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] MLUG-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 you were the one with the laptop and not me and they are not included with the bundle you sent me last week :) On 11/7/07, Keith Vassallo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yep, I did miss an e-mail... I wonder how the AN and their tactics have anything to do with the MLUG... Anyway, I think we should get the minutes of last AGM published... how about that Anton? Keith -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Cilia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: 07 November 2007 10:48 To: Keith Vassallo Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] MLUG-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 It's a reply to Philip's Attack on AN tactics. Whatever, the guy (Ederico) is perfectly right and it would be great if he was a bit more active in the MLUG. Come to think of it, it would be great if the MLUG was a bit more active in the MLUG (me included). Nhar Tuesday 06 November 2007, inti ktibt: > Erm... > > > > Which message is this a reply to? I think I myst have missed an email or > something... > > > > Keith > > > > From: Ederico [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 06 November 2007 12:34 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ LINUX.ORG.MT] MLUG-list Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 > > > > > > Ippermettili, però ma nħalltux hawn. Jien sa ġejt offrut nikkontesta > l-elezzjonijiet ma' l-Azzjoni Nazzjonali u irrifjutajt għal > motivazzjonijiet u raġunijiet personali u politiċi. Voldiri naf x'inhi > s-sitwazzjoni aħjar minn uħud hawn. > > L-Azzjoni Nazzjonali huwa partit politiku, mhux organizzazzjoni > non-governattiva jew kwalunkwe stat ġuridiku/programmatiku għandu > l-MLUG. Hemm nies fl-Azzjoni Nazzjonali li soffrew inġurji, > diskriminazzjonijiet fuq il-post tax-xogħol, trasferimenti, > pressjonijiet minn terzi persuni, theddid u oltre. Dan soffrejthom jien > ukoll, u mhux waħdi. L-MLUG, jew xi ħadd involut, esperjenza dan? L-AN > għandhom raġun iħabbtu saqajhom speċjalment meta ma jkopruhomx > bi┐┐ejjed mentri l-opinjonisti kollha (li spiss jipprovdu l-istess > po┐izzjonijiet liberali) jattakkawhom ma' kull opportunità. Dan sa > fejn naf jien ma je┐istix għal MLUG, anzi onestament ħafna nies la > jafu li l-Linux je┐isti u għaldaqstant aħseb u ara kemm jafu li > je┐isti l-MLUG. Naħseb dik l-akbar problema għal MLUG, u la għax ma > jkoprukomx u lanqas għax ma jtukomx spazju. Għall-ħafna, onestament, > intom ma te┐istux u lanqas il-Linux ma je┐isti. Li tqabbel l-Azzjoni > Nazzjonali ma' l-MLUG huwa li tagħmel paragun li ma jreġġhix. Però > vera, hemm b┐onn li ssir xi ħaġa denja li tiġi kopruta u n┐id li > personalment mingħand il-MLUG qatt ma rajtha tali ħaġa. Dan mhux biex > immaqdar lil ħadd, anzi napprezza ċertu militanza/entu┐ja┐mu favur > il-Linux. > > Dawk li ju┐aw il-Linux m'humiex ħafna, u dik hija r-realtà, ma > jidhirlix lanqas li min ju┐a l-Windows qed jiġi msemmi ta' kuljum ta. > Forsi deċi┐joni reċenti fuq livell ta' l-UE kontra l-ippakkeÄ¡Ä¡jar > tal-Windows awtomatikemt ma' computer ġdid tista' tagħti lok għal > offensiva hawn. > > Hemm b┐onn tieqaf din il-militanza vittimistika attwali magħġuna ma' > trijonfali┐mu futur u ninsew ir-realtà u kif nistgħu nagħmlu passi > konkreti biex inbiddluha. Il-mentalità tal-vittma, ta' l- underdog, ma > twassalx għall-avvanzi i┐da tippretendi li ħaddieħor itik > il-vittorja fuq platt bi dritt. Dik għalija hija problema tad-dinja > tal-Linux, staġnata fil-battibekk mal-Windows. Spiss il-kampanja favur > il-Linux hija sempliċi waħda t'oppo┐izzjoni għall-Windows, naħ seb > hemm b┐onn li l-istess kampanja tinbidel f'waħda iffokata > esklussivament fuq il-Linux u l-vantaġġi tiegħu di per se u dan > l-aktar meta kif jitpinġa l-Linux huwa tant superjuri. Issa qed > nirreferi għall-kampanja ġenerika favur il-Linux globalment, mhux dik > Maltija speċifikatament. Anzi, in┐id, mingħajr ma rrid noffendi lil > ħadd, li f'Malta din il-kampanja favur il-Linux għalija ma te┐istix > pubblikament b'mod effettiv, u jien ilni nu┐a l-Linux regolarment g ħ > al ┐mien issa u insegwi li jingħad dwaru u nippromwovih ma' min > nista'. > > Iffokaw l-aktar fuq dawk in-nies li ma ju┐awx il-computer biex jilg ħ > abu (għax ngħiduha kif inhi, dan blokk kbir għal-Linux fejn ħafna > nies li jilgħabu u jaħdmu fuq il-computer mhux disposti joqgħodu > jaqilbu minn sistema għall-oħra skond l-u┐u), dawk li għandhom > b┐onn inaqqsu l-ispi┐a i┐da ma jistgħux ju┐aw programmi > ikkuppjati (nafu r-realtà Maltija fil-qasam) tipo entitajiet > kummerÄ‹jali u organizzazzjonijiet filantropiċi et cetera. > Organizzaw skwadra li lesta anke tagħmel dimostrazzjonijiet tal-Linux > lil min hu interessat et cetera li għandha tiffoka fuq is-sempliċità > ta' l-u┐u tal-Linux, l-istabilità tas-sistema u s-sigurtà tagħha. > Importanti ukoll, taħdmu biex issir ver┐joni deċenti tal-Linux > bil-Malti jekk tridu tippromwovu l-Linux f'Malta, u b'u┐u ta' Malti > de─§enti la Ingli┐at mingħajr kreattività u lanqas xi Malti maqbud > f'ċertu politika lingwistika antikwata tal-Malti Safi. HEMM B»ONN > KAMPANJA PUBBLIĊITARJA DEĊENTI, mingħajr flus tista' tgħannaq u tbus > però ma twassalx messaġġ fejn jolqot. > > Jien sempliċi persuna li tu┐a l-Linux regolarment 'l fuq minn sena na > ħseb issa, u ma nifhimx oltre dak, voldiri hawn nies aktar esperti li > jistgħu joħorġu b'ideat aħjar. Li kieku mhux okkupat bl-istudji, u > proġetti u organizzazzjonijiet oħra nagħti daqqa t'id fil-prattika, g > ħalissa offrejtilkom x'naħseb. > > Ederico. > > > > 3. I disagree, It is our fault (as linux users) we are not reported > enough, > don't be like AN; do not bang your feet the media is not covering > you, if > anything do not do it through that very same media, do something > worth > covering, first. 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