Guess I have to intervene as well, cause if you really think you are the most
avid gamer on the list, I'm sure you'd realise that most of what YOU have
written is wrong.
But, there is no point in me trying to correct you on several fronts, cause you
thinking you are some kind of gamer god will make no difference.
Suddenly I realise why I stopped using this mailing list a very long time ago.
Unfortunately with people with atitudes of yours will still keep seeing "us" as
lesser mortals.
Its time for me to unsubscribe once and for all now, and continue to enjoy
playing many many games running NATIVELY on my linux rig (games which were
described as dying/dead by you and also quite a few non-FPS games that are
highly sought after) and also happily leveling my characters in various MMOs
which according to you should crash in under 30 seconds via WINE.
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:41:08 +0100From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] Calling All Uni StudentsI know im gonna sound
like a real spoil-sport but i feel that i need to intervene as probably the
most avid gamer on this list..
YOU ARE WRONG.
I know that sounds harsh but im fed up with optimists trying to make linux
appear what it's not. It is completely pointless marketing Linux as a gaming
platform when graphics card drivers (both AMD/ATI and Nvidia) are still so much
lower in performance when compared to their windows counter-parts. What you are
running are cod2 and ET servers which are of no interest to any gamer in Malta
or anywhere. Games like ET and CoD2 do NOT receive regular updates. ET hasn't
received anything for over a year and a half and the game is practically dead
in Malta except for a few stragglers who dont have enough cash to upgrade their
PCs. Don't get me wrong, I love both CoD2 and ET however the fact remains that
the games are neither taxing on the hardware or recent.
Secondly, only two of the games you mentioned has native linux binaries which
means we will have to run them through an abstractions layer like Cedega or
worse WINE. If you have tried running any sort of game through wine you'll know
that performance is never as good as it's windows counter part and is no
winning point in the argument of why gamers should change over to Linux.
Let me make a list:
ET: Old and dying, none of the remaining tournaments are giving the game much
importance and too few clans are signing up, killing the game even more.
However this remains a good game that runs natively on linux.
CoD2: No linux binaries and has to be run through an abstraction layer
resulting in lower performance and more problems (tried running cod2 original
with teh cd check on anyone ?) Dead abroad, still alive in malta. ( Time to
move on, CoD5 has been released :O )
Counter strike: I guess you mean 1.6 here which is very old (although still one
of the most played games around the world) however it has no native linux
binaries and steam support on linux has been sketchy at teh very best (I would
know I installed it)
Unreal: Which one ? I'm guessing you mean UT2K4 here which does have Linux
binaries but runs with lower performance than it's windows counterpart
(probably due to lack of good gfx drivers) Of course you might mean UT3 for
which we were promised native linux binaries but were never released due to
"legal issues" Also both games have really no value in Malta and abroad.
Doom and Quake 1/2/3 and to an extent 4: they all share some version of the
same engine (a very old precursor in q1/2/3) and a more recent one in q4 and
doom3. Good games but dead in Malta.
WoW: It's funny, I installed WoW on my Linux and ran it.. It ran, for around 30
seconds during which the game was slow and most if not all of my graphics
settings were reduced to a minimum. Try to target a mob and it crashes. Love it
So here I am, True Linux believer, evangelist and pure breed of Xion (sorry
scratch the last part) but also a hardcore gamer, Manager of Project Eversio
(http://www.eversio.info/about_us.php) and organiser and Server Administrator
of several prominent LAN parties in Malta telling you that trying to show off
gaming on Linux right now is a very bad idea. I should be at CampusLAN with my
pc running Arch Linux (If i get xserver to run well again :O ) and I do have ET
installed ( and i can get painkiller running also ) and we can test some of my
points if you wish. Accept Linux for what it is, a great desktop system, but
not a gaming OS; Not until we get proper up to scratch drivers that run well on
Linux, and good support from game producers for OpenGL with native Linux
binaries will we be able to show off Linux as a gaming platform.
I rest my case and return to leveling my 71 orc Shaman.
Mewt
P.S. Sorry if I came out a bit strong, but i was stuck in a queue to get into
WoW and that's guaranteed to piss anyone off...
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Shawn Cassar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
First of all the games I mentioned aren't old games. In the company I work I'm
one of the "heads" of our online gaming department. We have 3 servers (running
CentOS Linux) specifically for COD2 players and till today we were discussing
to add another virtual machine since we aren't even keeping up with the demand.
Games like ET and COD2 have regular updates, and are highly sought after. My
idea with the LAN Party is that - maltese gamers mostly play COD2 and ET.
Foreign players tend to go more towards ET and Counter Strike and Unreal. And
all these run native on Linux. Games like Doom and to a lesser extent Quake
have lost their heat, but it shouldn't be a problem getting those working. ho
run WoW and SAs for MMORPG I know many people wtar Wars Galaxies via WINE, and
EVE-Online has pseudo-native support through Cadega. The real hard part is
getting a linux gaming rig in time for the LAN Fest, assuming that ITSA
executive committe members (not lan admin committe like me, cause we are more
or less helps) don't mind...but I see Mr Marc Tanti is here so he could guide
us :P In true madness spirit I sacrificed my Solaris Server (which I use at
home for self-learning mostly) and took out the HDD. So, if you want this PC
has 4GB Corsair Dominator RAM, 2.66GHz Quad Core CPU and an ATI HD 25xx
something gfx. If maybe during the lan party we could get a > 160GB hdd we
could even do a demo install of linux and a particular FPS. We will further
this discussion and other ideas at University on Thursday hopefully, cause I
don't want to trash the mailing list (sorry :P ) Shawn> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008
08:08:14 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: mlug-list@linux.org.mt> Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] Calling All Uni
> Students> > Problem is...that "showing off" old games really isn't likely to
> > impress users, isn't it? Sure, it's a rebuttal to the myth that Linux >
> cannot play any games at all, but it still exposes a weakpoint in Linux, > or
> a lack of quality - as you prefer ;)> > Still, at least you can still get
> your gaming fix on Linux, which is a > good thing. I also suggest Doom 3,
> Quake 4, Quake 3, maybe an MMORPG or > too..WoW should also run on wine -
> never tried it myself though.> > Shawn Cassar wrote:> > Yep, agree on that,
> excellent idea.> > > > Also, it just struck me, the following weekend (21st -
> 23rd) there is > > the ITSA Lan Fest. Basically taking the idea of Ubuntu
> gamers (and > > SuSE gamers as well :P ) maybe we can ask some of the ITSA
> committe > > guys (in theory I'm part of the admin committe) so that we can
> do a > > linux install fest/linux gaming during the lan fest.> > > > Would be
> a great opportunity to actually get an idea of gamers and > > kind of games
> they would rather see on *nix systems. Maybe if we > > could get an average
> gaming rig (nothing big, even something with a > > 1.6GHz and a 7200 GFX agp)
> and put linux on it, install a few games > > (such as ET, COD2, Unreal which
> run natively on linux) and "show off" > > gaming on linux.> > > > I'll try to
> bring it up during the meeting.> > > > Shawn> >> >> >
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> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:03:19 +0100> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To:
> mlug-list@linux.org.mt> > Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] Calling All Uni
> Students> >> > Yep that would also be a good possibility, I forgot about that
> (already).> >> >> >
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