Can we all rein in our egos a lil` bit, and try and cooperate here? Both of you are making valid points. If the games are not dead, then they're certainly outdated - no one can deny that. Just because Anton has problems with WoW doesn't mean WoW is problematic for every one.
Shawn Cassar wrote: > Guess I have to intervene as well, cause if you really think you are > the most avid gamer on the list, I'm sure you'd realise that most of > what YOU have written is wrong. > > But, there is no point in me trying to correct you on several fronts, > cause you thinking you are some kind of gamer god will make no difference. > > Suddenly I realise why I stopped using this mailing list a very long > time ago. Unfortunately with people with atitudes of yours will still > keep seeing "us" as lesser mortals. > > Its time for me to unsubscribe once and for all now, and continue to > enjoy playing many many games running NATIVELY on my linux rig (games > which were described as dying/dead by you and also quite a few non-FPS > games that are highly sought after) and also happily leveling my > characters in various MMOs which according to you should crash in > under 30 seconds via WINE. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:41:08 +0100 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT] Calling All Uni Students > > I know im gonna sound like a real spoil-sport but i feel that i need > to intervene as probably the most avid gamer on this list.. > > YOU ARE WRONG. > > I know that sounds harsh but im fed up with optimists trying to make > linux appear what it's not. It is completely pointless marketing Linux > as a gaming platform when graphics card drivers (both AMD/ATI and > Nvidia) are still so much lower in performance when compared to their > windows counter-parts. What you are running are cod2 and ET servers > which are of no interest to any gamer in Malta or anywhere. Games like > ET and CoD2 do NOT receive regular updates. ET hasn't received > anything for over a year and a half and the game is practically dead > in Malta except for a few stragglers who dont have enough cash to > upgrade their PCs. Don't get me wrong, I love both CoD2 and ET however > the fact remains that the games are neither taxing on the hardware or > recent. > > Secondly, only two of the games you mentioned has native linux > binaries which means we will have to run them through an abstractions > layer like Cedega or worse WINE. If you have tried running any sort of > game through wine you'll know that performance is never as good as > it's windows counter part and is no winning point in the argument of > why gamers should change over to Linux. > > Let me make a list: > > ET: Old and dying, none of the remaining tournaments are giving the > game much importance and too few clans are signing up, killing the > game even more. However this remains a good game that runs natively on > linux. > CoD2: No linux binaries and has to be run through an abstraction layer > resulting in lower performance and more problems (tried running cod2 > original with teh cd check on anyone ?) Dead abroad, still alive in > malta. ( Time to move on, CoD5 has been released :O ) > Counter strike: I guess you mean 1.6 here which is very old (although > still one of the most played games around the world) however it has no > native linux binaries and steam support on linux has been sketchy at > teh very best (I would know I installed it) > Unreal: Which one ? I'm guessing you mean UT2K4 here which does have > Linux binaries but runs with lower performance than it's windows > counterpart (probably due to lack of good gfx drivers) Of course you > might mean UT3 for which we were promised native linux binaries but > were never released due to "legal issues" Also both games have really > no value in Malta and abroad. > Doom and Quake 1/2/3 and to an extent 4: they all share some version > of the same engine (a very old precursor in q1/2/3) and a more recent > one in q4 and doom3. Good games but dead in Malta. > > WoW: It's funny, I installed WoW on my Linux and ran it.. It ran, for > around 30 seconds during which the game was slow and most if not all > of my graphics settings were reduced to a minimum. Try to target a mob > and it crashes. Love it > > So here I am, True Linux believer, evangelist and pure breed of Xion > (sorry scratch the last part) but also a hardcore gamer, Manager of > Project Eversio (http://www.eversio.info/about_us.php) and organiser > and Server Administrator of several prominent LAN parties in Malta > telling you that trying to show off gaming on Linux right now is a > very bad idea. I should be at CampusLAN with my pc running Arch Linux > (If i get xserver to run well again :O ) and I do have ET installed ( > and i can get painkiller running also ) and we can test some of my > points if you wish. Accept Linux for what it is, a great desktop > system, but not a gaming OS; Not until we get proper up to scratch > drivers that run well on Linux, and good support from game producers > for OpenGL with native Linux binaries will we be able to show off > Linux as a gaming platform. > > I rest my case and return to leveling my 71 orc Shaman. > > > Mewt > > > P.S. Sorry if I came out a bit strong, but i was stuck in a queue to > get into WoW and that's guaranteed to piss anyone off... > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Shawn Cassar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > First of all the games I mentioned aren't old games. > > In the company I work I'm one of the "heads" of our online gaming > department. We have 3 servers (running CentOS Linux) specifically > for COD2 players and till today we were discussing to add another > virtual machine since we aren't even keeping up with the demand. > > Games like ET and COD2 have regular updates, and are highly sought > after. My idea with the LAN Party is that - maltese gamers mostly > play COD2 and ET. Foreign players tend to go more towards ET and > Counter Strike and Unreal. And all these run native on Linux. > > Games like Doom and to a lesser extent Quake have lost their heat, > but it shouldn't be a problem getting those working. > ho run WoW and S > As for MMORPG I know many people wtar Wars Galaxies via WINE, and > EVE-Online has pseudo-native support through Cadega. > > The real hard part is getting a linux gaming rig in time for the > LAN Fest, assuming that ITSA executive committe members (not lan > admin committe like me, cause we are more or less helps) don't > mind...but I see Mr Marc Tanti is here so he could guide us :P > > In true madness spirit I sacrificed my Solaris Server (which I use > at home for self-learning mostly) and took out the HDD. So, if > you want this PC has 4GB Corsair Dominator RAM, 2.66GHz Quad Core > CPU and an ATI HD 25xx something gfx. If maybe during the lan > party we could get a > 160GB hdd we could even do a demo install > of linux and a particular FPS. > > We will further this discussion and other ideas at University on > Thursday hopefully, cause I don't want to trash the mailing list > (sorry :P ) > > Shawn > > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:08:14 +0100 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT <http://linux.org.mt/>] Calling All > Uni Students > > > > Problem is...that "showing off" old games really isn't likely to > > impress users, isn't it? Sure, it's a rebuttal to the myth that > Linux > > cannot play any games at all, but it still exposes a weakpoint > in Linux, > > or a lack of quality - as you prefer ;) > > > > Still, at least you can still get your gaming fix on Linux, > which is a > > good thing. I also suggest Doom 3, Quake 4, Quake 3, maybe an > MMORPG or > > too..WoW should also run on wine - never tried it myself though. > > > > Shawn Cassar wrote: > > > Yep, agree on that, excellent idea. > > > > > > Also, it just struck me, the following weekend (21st - 23rd) > there is > > > the ITSA Lan Fest. Basically taking the idea of Ubuntu gamers > (and > > > SuSE gamers as well :P ) maybe we can ask some of the ITSA > committe > > > guys (in theory I'm part of the admin committe) so that we can > do a > > > linux install fest/linux gaming during the lan fest. > > > > > > Would be a great opportunity to actually get an idea of gamers > and > > > kind of games they would rather see on *nix systems. Maybe if we > > > could get an average gaming rig (nothing big, even something > with a > > > 1.6GHz and a 7200 GFX agp) and put linux on it, install a few > games > > > (such as ET, COD2, Unreal which run natively on linux) and > "show off" > > > gaming on linux. > > > > > > I'll try to bring it up during the meeting. > > > > > > Shawn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:03:19 +0100 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [LINUX.ORG.MT <http://linux.org.mt/>] Calling All > Uni Students > > > > > > Yep that would also be a good possibility, I forgot about that > (already). > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with > Windows Live > > > Spaces. It's easy! 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