I have been using Fedora since 2005. In the past two years, it has always been 
stable, worked well, was efficient, and enjoyable to use.  Gnome was always 
getting better and better.

Somewhere along the way, Gnome and other GUIs got enamoured with the IPAD 
interface.  This is great for occasional users, who like to spin wheels.

But if you are a developer, who uses netbeans, eclipse, or other similar 
products, you really want a desktop environment.  
If you are root, unlike those who block all accesses,  the root logon is great 
for marking and dragging, or doing drag and drop activities.  For many 
maintenance activities, it is faster in management tto do it with a good GUI 
interface, than with a series of manual command line efforts.  That is why I
 stay with Fedora.

Gnome will probably return to supporting both the legacy environment, and the 
new one. At least I hope so.  It would be foolish to abandon a legacy 
interface, and lose all we developer's who also find bugs in new products.  

I do not use Fedora for production, but look to it for new functions that could 
be interesting for our product(s).  We have data encryption products for all 
the platforms mentioned. Some are smart card based,  Some can support thousands 
of users, each with a distinct access code.

Please forgive my pontifications.

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 Leslie
 Mr. Leslie Satenstein
40 years in IT and going strong.
Yesterday was a good day, today is a better day,
and tomorrow will be even better.
 
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--- On Thu, 4/28/11, aaron d <[email protected]> wrote:

From: aaron d <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MLUG] Fedora 15 ideosynchracies.
To: "Montreal Linux Users Group" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 11:22 PM

Just go back to gnome 2 if that is what
 you want, or better still, use xfce. They have no intention of leaving 
fallback mode as an option down the road (at least not in such an easy to 
enable setting), so if you don't like it, you are better off finding a more 
viable long-term solution. Xfce is very mature, lightweight, simple and has 
excellent tools that work every bit as well as the gnome2 counterparts. It also 
looks and functions almost exactly the same.

Aaron
On Apr 28, 2011 1:06 PM, "Leslie S Satenstein" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Cyrl,
> 
> I am using the fallback option. (System tools, graphics on).  I find a waste 
> of time to use the standard interface.  But there is a complete set of 
> functions that are missing.

> 
> Switch to the graphics option, right click on applications, and you should 
> have alacarte running.  The very bottom entry is system.  Inside of system 
> are a group of applications and sub-applications.  One of them is screen 
> saver.

> 
> It is not in the (right click under your name option).  In fact, it is not 
> reachable via GUI
> 
> 
> ------------------
> 
> Regards  
>  Leslie
>  Mr. Leslie Satenstein

> 40 years in IT and going strong.
> Yesterday was a good day, today is a better day,
> and tomorrow will be even better.
>  
> mailto:[email protected]

> alternative: [email protected] 
> www.itbms.biz  
>  
> 
> --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Cyril Arnaud <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> From: Cyril Arnaud <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MLUG] Fedora 15 ideosynchracies.
> To: "Montreal Linux Users Group" <[email protected]>

> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 11:41 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
> 
>  
> In Gnome 3 there are no panels.
> 
> The menu is replaced by the activity overview (top left hot corner or Super 
> key), the System menu is hidden under your name (top right corner).

> 
> The desktops are added automagically and when the desktop is empty it 
> disappear ...
> 
> I know it's confusing :)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:06 -0700, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:

> 
> 
>     
> 
> 
> I added alacarte to Fedora15, which allows me to edit menus. I followed 
> Jérome's advice and reverted to the "graphics off mode". This allowed me to 
> set 4 desktops.

> 
> 
> 
> With alacarte installed (perhaps I did not need to install it), I right-click 
> on the Applications menu, and it opens for editing.
> 
> 
> 
> The alacarte editor shows a final menu entry titled system.  However, System 
> is not shown on the dropdown menu.  I have not found a way to force system to 
> appear.

> 
> 
> 
> The second bizzare situation is dragging an application to the panel. Once on 
> the panel, one cannot remove it.  There does not appear to be a way to 
> add/remove panels.  There is a panel application, but it fails to run after 
> starting.

> 
> 
> 
> I want the system menu, as one submenu within system is preferences.
> 
> 
> 
> Preferences allows me to setup the screensaver, manage sound, software 
> updates, etc...

> 
> Someone has cut the menu to be 1 entry short.
> 
> 
> 
> Did I fail to find an alternate path to the screensaver. Screensaver does not 
> appear as well, in the new gnome3 "all on the desktop" format.

> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Leslie
> 

> 
> 
> Mr. Leslie Satenstein
> 
> 40 years in IT and going strong.
> 
> Yesterday was a good day, today is a better day,
> 
> and tomorrow will be even better.
> 

>  
> 
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