One more observation, in Symbian phones you could do exactly in the same way as a non talks user could do. The method of using the phone was quite similar whether with or with out talks. But here on touchscreen devices the methods of using phone are different from non-screen reader users. to give an example, in android for copying/paste the text we have to take local context menue, to read line by line or para by para we have to change in global context menue. More over when talkback is on, sighted users can not use our phone easily.
On 10/7/14, Mohib Anwar Rafel <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote: > So far as I know, on android with the help of external physical keypad > you can't know the currently focused itom. Rather u can take left and > right arrow to determine which was last focused itom. But again keypad > can not unlock your phone if its screen got locked. Regarding RIVO > keyboard, its not that much helpful as its on iOS platform. Some users > says it not very much helpful. the fact is that you can not accomplish > many tasks directly from android RIVO in present senareo. Even the > manufacturer of this keyboard are not working on it to develop it > anymore, because their argument is that android provides less support > to external physical keyboards. May things are changed with the > release of Android L which is about to be launched in a month or so. > And yes, these are the things, a user isn't missing? > > On 10/7/14, Sheik Mohammedali <shahid.se...@gmail.com> wrote: >> another concern: >> even though if you use external keypad, how do you make screen reader to >> read the current windows/focused item/line on text? and without swiping >> notification shade and statuses cannot be read. how do you access those >> on >> >> external keypads such as rivo keyboard? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Himanshu Sahu" <sahu.himanshu2...@gmail.com> >> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile >> phonesand Tabs." <mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] Hey folks do u miss your symbian phone? >> >> >>>I am surprised to see that the moderator is yet to intervene in this >>> discussion and specially to those comments persecuting users still >>> missing their keypad based phones... >>> Discussing and comparing old versus new technologies doesn't mean >>> inviting wrath of some frenzy folks who instead of answeing to valid >>> questions prefer to jump on hasty conclusion and even act as analyst >>> and super moderator tagging it as "timepass" and suggesting "close of >>> thread". >>> >>> Its better to offer sollutions of problems rather hiding behind cover >>> of being "super techy"! >>> >>> Some of my questions: >>> 1. how to send one sms to around 150 people from contact list which >>> contains 700 contacts, specially when one doesn't remember all names >>> and hence compelled to browse all contacts? >>> 2. how to make typing easier without incurring additional cost, time and >>> effort? >>> 3. how to ascertain that which menu is located at which place in >>> various windows? Remember that there are people who don't have much >>> free time to leave important works and give their whole day on >>> exploring and remembering that which menu is located at which place. >>> 4. how to label multiple of unlabelled buttons in androit without >>> taking sighted help? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/5/14, Salim qureshi <salim2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> hi, this topic is nothing but a fully timepass. Some folks will never >>>> come out from ded simbian worldb. Let them stay there only. I'm really >>>> enjoying my android world. And yes i am not missing any of my simbian >>>> phones any more. >>>> >>>> On 10/5/14, Sagar <sagar.verma5...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> What is this? What do you mean touchscreen is not for us? Are you out >>>>> of >>>>> your mind? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Oct 2014, at 14:43, Mohib Anwar Rafel <mohibra...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's see whether any company comes with better jugad. But obviously >>>>>> touchscreen are not for blind folks. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/5/14, P L VARMA <plvni...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> i am sure indian jugad will ultimately provide a solution!!! >>>>>>> smiles!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Mohib Anwar Rafel" <mohibra...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>>>>>> mobile >>>>>>> phonesand Tabs." <mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 12:25 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] Hey folks do u miss your symbian phone? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> true. if physical keyboard is attached to android phone, it will be >>>>>>>> most accessible phone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/4/14, Vikas Kapoor <dl.vi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I suppose it is not really the platform we should be struggling >>>>>>>>> for, >>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it is keypad versus touch interface, so symbian is not really the >>>>>>>>> question >>>>>>>>> but the touch interface. Since Symbian is primarily associated >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> keypad interface and Android with touch interface, we've started >>>>>>>>> labeling >>>>>>>>> the OS instead of the structure of a phone in terms of >>>>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> comfortability... >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Shyam M. Sayanekar" <sayane...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>>>>>>>> mobilephonesand Tabs. " <mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 8:51 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] Hey folks do u miss your symbian phone? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes very much. This is so because; the ease and total control >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> could get in the symbian phone is not possible in the Android >>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> option key, the menu key and the arrow keys give you full control >>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> symbian phone. The typing eas in the Symbian phone is wonderful. >>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> symbian phone the full phone could be operated with one hand with >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> single thumb, whereas, in Android you require using both hands and >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> fingers. Some say that they do everything just with one hand, but >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> exception and not a rule. The main problem with the android phones >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the location of different buttons such as delete button and more >>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>> button in different operations is not fixed, and you take a lot of >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> locate them. Further more, many of the buttons are not labled. The >>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> screens also add to our problems, All these problems are not there >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Symbian. >>>>>>>>> Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar >>>>>>>>> Telephone: 0251-2438457 >>>>>>>>> Mobile: +91 9920410788 >>>>>>>>> Skype ID- sayanekar >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Mohib Anwar Rafel" <mohibra...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: "mobile.accessindia" <mobile.accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 12:51 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Mobile.AI] Hey folks do u miss your symbian phone? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just I was wondering how many of you are missing their old nokia >>>>>>>>>> Symbian phones after shifting to touchscreen world? 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