I've been watching this thread for a week now.
I find the content rather tiresome and wish that there were more
discussion of technical issues related to using mod_perl as there used to
be on this list. But on the other hand I am pleased to see some new names
on the list that apparently belong to people who are learning to use
Doug's great product, and are excited enough about it to want to spend
time talking about designing a logo and "evangelizing" its use.
However, here are a few observations:
I do not believe that this list is the appropriate place for these
conversations, any more than comp.lang.perl.misc was a place for endless
arguments over the relative merits of Perl and M$ Visual Basic or whatever
... drivel that basically rendered c.l.p.m completely useless and
forced creation of a moderated group for the purposes for which the
original public group was created. Stas started his sourcegarden project
here several months ago and to me it seems that all this about logos,
branding and evangelization would be more at home there, saving this list
for technical discussions relating to the design and use of mod_perl.
I also am a little dismayed by the youthful zeal of most of the
participants in these recent discussions. Most of you seem to be very
recent adoptees of mod_perl and when you are not complaining about its
"traps" or how "hard" it is you seem to want to topple Micro$oft by
preaching the virtues of mod_perl alone ... confused.
mod_perl (it's not capitalized, by the way) is a specialized product that
glues together the Apache web server and the Perl programming language. It
is what it is. It's quite widely used (see Stas' graphs), has a very
successful and beautifully clear ORA book and another learning book in the
works ... it's not hard to use, it's cake if you read the documentation
and follow it ... and it doesn't need any monkeying around with by a bunch
of neophytes who seem to be more concerned with marketing tactics than
memory consumption. [ now my true feelings are starting to come through ]
Please, give it a break. I'm always glad to promote mod_perl and also to
help newer users who are *programmers* if they have questions that I have
already dealt with. But all this other stuff is just blowing smoke, I'm
afraid.
And finally -- and I saved the most important thing for last -- where the
fsck do you get off with "Known Propositions for the name/symbol of
Mod_Perl [sic]" when you haven't apparently asked for an opinion or
comments from, or maybe *are not even aware of the existence of* the
author and maintainer of the product??!! Until DougM joins this discussion
it has all the legitimacy of a proposal to change the name of Perl because
it doesn't include the word 'Active' that has no input from Larry.
(Knowing Doug, though, a *lot* nicer person than I, he may well encourage
this nonsense, in which case I'll just jump of the list and let you all
blather on in peace.)
Bah humbug,
Nick
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Victor Zamouline wrote:
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> 1. Known propositions for the name/symbol of Mod_Perl
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Nick Tonkin
Director of Software Development
ValueClick, Inc.
Delivering more than 60,000,000 dynamic http requests a day
with
- Perl
- Apache
- mod_perl
- MySQL
