Seth you make a good argument... Although I disagree with your gas
price assessment.
Natalie, sorry I generalized so much. In a way that was kind of the
point of my post. Lets just say this.. "Nothing of merit has ever
come from white American culture".. Now that's a generalization if I
have every heard one. As you did with my post.. I generalized right
back on his! Its very hard not to take the defensive when someone is
generalizing you as "good for nothing".
I think for the most part we are just stepping up to the idiot soap
box with this one. There are way too many nationalistic feelings
overall...and way too much ignorance on both the American and UK side
of this discussion. For one.. neither of us will ever be happy with
the other's assessment of their culture because it is almost
impossible to ever get a proper assessment of a culture unless you
have lived in it (otherwise its all preconceived notion). Not to
mention we are all attached in some way to our birth land.. its like
asking someone to assess your mother with out hurting your feelings..
because any bad traits will always directly reflect on you..
On the other hand you can't really point a finger at just one thing
that represents "white American male culture" because most white
American males are from many different cultures.. English, Irish,
German, Italian, Mexican, French, and Scandanavian cultures settled
in different regions in the United States. Now if you figure a
culture is what makes a person a Brit or an American you can't really
say that i was brought up American by anyway. You can't compare my
upbringing (German American) to a some of my friends in Boston
(British American).. We had completely different upbringings. Just
because part of my family decided in the 1800's to not go to war and
leave Germany.. Doesn't mean that my family became anymore less
German (well until WW2).. parts of the German culture were passed
down through the last 2 generations. While we all consider ourselves
American because we live here.. we still have a huge tie to our
homeland in Germany which we honor through the food my family eats,
the holiday traditions,.. gosh to the organized religion my family
has always been apart of. You will see the same things when you go
the east coast where the people are from Irish and English decent.
I guess my point is here..is this is an absolutely dumb argument
because all any of us really have to go on is preconceived notions
and some vacations we all took.
But as caution (I should take this advice also.. ;) we should maybe
shy from making complete generalizations and assumptions on topics as
touchy as this because I have to admit.. I was bit pissed when 1
person summed up all of America as "Useless".. in one sentence.. at
that.. I took it a but personally because I don't feel that I am
useless. I know I have done my little part to change the world... as
has many Americans.. But we can never find a Brit to recognize it.
John
>Okay,
>
>lets look at the good and bad of living in either UK or USA:
>
>U.S.A.
>
>Ridiculously high gas prices, gladly paid by inept drivers with gas
>guzzling 10.5 kid capacity behemoth, Japanese made, expensive SUV's.
>
>UK: Same problem wiht gas $$% but nobody drives SUV's
>
>Handgun deaths in US kill THOUSANDS
>
>UK: Rarer than a BeeGee's Millenium Tour
>
>Boring two party political system where the prick with most $$$ wins
>
>UK: Dull multi-party system where someone with brains can get elected.
>
>Legal drinking age of 21 which is widely ignored and won't stop DUI
>
>UK: At 18 they actually trust you to know what you're doing.
>
>Internet connections easy and affordable.
>
>UK: Expensive and basically unregulated competition among providers
>
>Innocent until proven guilty in Court
>
>UK: Your're guilty, save your own arse!
>
>Unarticualte, clonelike cultural malaise is widely accepted.
>
>UK: Culture with sense of purpose and identity..skinny wiseass
>popstars, intelligent sitcoms, musical diversity, pretensions.
>
>Half dead heroin addicts punished for drug problem, thrown in jail
>while pedophiles, murderers and tax frauds are set free into streets
>
>UK: Methadone treatment is available and succesful
>
>Britney Spears, NSync, Elvis, Christina Aguilera, Korn
>
>UK: The Beatles, BLUR, Morrissey, Pulp,The Kinks,The Who, Paul Weller
>
>just making a few comparisons..
>
>
>
>> Instead America's best and brightest stay here, Britain's best and
>> brightest immigrate here, and our dimwits emigrate to London.
>>- And on average, Americans work more hours per week than Britons. So we all
>> can't be lazy bloodsucking shits like the French. What was your point?
>>- What fat bastard ate all the good pie shops?
>>- Thank god for curry! You need something edible to eat on your lil' island.
>>
>>BTW ;^)
>>
>>Enjoy,
>>John M. Stafford
>>
>>----------
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 1. We're in a no-win situation here - if you're (and if you're going to
>>> generalise then so will I) feeling persecuted over errors of your past you
>>> blame us for the way 'we' treated the Native Americans (for
>>>example) but then
>>> when you want to crow about something then it's all thanks to 'your'
>>> structures which you see as not at all influenced by factors such
>>>as British
>>> traditions of parliamentary democracy or that pesky capitalist system we
>>> started. Still...even that's coupled with factors like density of
>>>population
>>> and natural resources that have more to do with luck than with merit. ('the
>>> largest country in the world'???? Is that a real boast? I thought that was
>>> Canada anyway).
>>>
>>> 2. And where did that computer start? In the UK. Telephone
>>>invented by a Scot
>>> you claim as your own of course... I'm told we took our own part
>>>in building
>>> the user interface of the World Wide Web though. Still - thanks
>>>for making us
>>> all feel a bit humble. Whenever I type a domain name (or use a zip or eat
>>> cornflakes) I will issue thanks and ask God to bless your great country.
>>>
>>> 4. Please spare us that 'to save your island from invasion' shite please,
>>> it's vastly insulting and we don't really want to ask you what
>>>you were doing
>>> three years prior to actually getting off your arses. So why
>>>exactly did you
>>> get involved in World War II? Absolutely nothing to do with
>>>self-interest I'm
>>> sure. I was under the impression that Britain and the U.S. were only two of
>>> the nations that paid a huge price in saving THE WORLD from Nazism. Who
>>> exactly feeds you this preposterous crap that you were the
>>>bleeding hearts of
>>> the world somehow doing us a huge favour? Is it a superior educational
>>> system? You are only talking about our grandparents' generation and this is
>>> still really, really offensive. Wash your mouth out young man.
>>>
>>> 5. We did. Thanks for lending us that money, though, which we're
>>>still paying
>>> you back today (with interest). Did your taxes build all your own
>>>cities? If
>>> so, why haven't you got one as good as London?
>>>
>>> By the way, WE work longer hours than everyone in Europe as well. I'm an
>>> adopted Londoner (of two years). There are only two things worth moaning
>>> about - the amount of calcium carbonate in the water and the
>>>dearth of decent
>>> pie shops.* I am constantly impressed by its beauty and even aspects of its
>>> ugliness (which seems to prove that it isn't a dead theme park city like
>>> er...Venice, for example). Still - I'd be pissed off if I didn't live here
>>> too (I was for twenty-five years).
>>>
>>> Agh and to the bloke who made the lunatic statement about curry -
>>>talk about
>>> missing the point! The curry doesn't represent us 'losing our own culture',
>>> it's a great British dish! The Asian people in this country are
>>>British too -
>>> what is different about so many Americanisms is that they haven't been
>>> brought in by immigrants but by a distant popular culture. I find that's a
>>> really bland and tedious process as it seems to involve the wholescale
>>> imposition of crass cultural trends, whereas immigrants contribute to the
>>> environment whilst being influenced by it (that's what makes the English
>>> language so special). Why can't people get their heads around this
>>> distinction?
>> >
>> > Natalie
>>
>>----------
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Gosh how the hell did American Culture build the largest and
>>> strongest economy and country in the world? Where did that Internet
>>> start? How many musical acts have we given you.. Wait, what war did
>>> thousands of Americans die in just to save your Island from invasion.
>>> Who rebuilt London? (Cough ack cough.. thats a hard one to swallow I
>>> know.. but come on.. our taxes in someway rebuilt your damn city.)
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:52:03 +0000
>>From: David Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Those Swedish Telephones.....are they called Ericaphones ?
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>I`m after one of those odd standing up phones, I believe called
>>Ericaphones, and I believe to be Swedish. Anyone got any knowledge of
>>these ? Anyone know the "going rate", and anyone know where I can buy
>>one online ?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your help,
>>David W.
>>--
>>David Walker
>>
>>Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>http://www.modculture.com
>>
>>Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:42:43 -0000
>>From: "Zinc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>34. Please spare us that 'to save your island from invasion' shite please,
>>> it's vastly insulting and we don't really want to ask you what you were
>>doing
>>> three years prior to actually getting off your arses. So why exactly did
>>you
>>> get involved in World War II? Absolutely nothing to do with self-interest
>>I'm
>>> sure. I was under the impression that Britain and the U.S. were only two
>>of
>>> the nations that paid a huge price in saving THE WORLD from Nazism. Who
>>> exactly feeds you this preposterous crap that you were the bleeding hearts
>>of
>>> the world somehow doing us a huge favour? Is it a superior educational
>>> system? You are only talking about our grandparents' generation and this
>>is
>>> still really, really offensive. Wash your mouth out young man.
>>>
>>Please note that US only entered the war after being attacked by Japan and
>>having Germany declare war on them first
>>Sorry but facts are facts
>>Zinc
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 06:07:28 -0800 (PST)
>>From: Soul Stomper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: The Skatalites
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I don't know if anyone here is interested, but 60s
>>Jamaican Ska legends, The Skatalites, will be playing
>>the Comfort Zone in Toronto on April 1st. This event
>>will be licensed/all-ages and doors open at 9pm. No
>>word yet on the cost though. Sorry if this is an
>>innapropriate forum for this post.
>>
>>
>>
>>Billy
>>http://www.reggaestreet.com/1/reggaeskin69
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________
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>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:27:10 EST
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 3/12/00 9:48:04 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>><< Thank god American education is better than British education: >>
>>
>>Christ, Stafford, you're like the ask Cecil column or something: all the
>>facts. Interesting to read, anyway. I don't think that last bit (above) can
>>possibly be true. Just about any exposure I've had to recent public school
>>graduates show that none of them can read and that none of them has any
>>concept of culture at all. It seems that they just aren't teaching arts in
>>school any more. Then again, our very own list has someone like Chantal, who
>>gives me hope for the future, but I suspect that her grooviness is more a
>>product of her own searching than anything our overpopulated and underfunded
>>schools could have achieved. I believe that the idiots of tomorrow are but
>>the refuge of our corporate culture.
>>Corin
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:26:14 +0000
>>From: David Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Calling Emmanuel Cote
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>If the above named is still on the list, can he email me privately ??
>>Thanks,
>>David W.
>>--
>>David Walker
>>
>>Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>http://www.modculture.com
>>
>>Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:47:38 -0500 (EST)
>>From: Katherine Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: Those Swedish Telephones.....are they called Ericaphones ?
>>
>>
>>I don't have any info on them, but am interested too...
>>Please let me know as well if you can get a hold of one or two..
>>Kate
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I`m after one of those odd standing up phones, I believe called
>>> Ericaphones, and I believe to be Swedish. Anyone got any knowledge of
>>> these ? Anyone know the "going rate", and anyone know where I can buy
>>> one online ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your help,
>>> David W.
>>> --
>>> David Walker
>>>
>>> Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>> http://www.modculture.com
>>>
>>> Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>> Want to find the best email lists? Check out the Topica 20!
>>> http://www.topica.com/topica20
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:41:37 GMT
>>From: "gordon wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>wasn't the current Maddonna song written by an American...
>>______________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:45:22 GMT
>>From: "gordon wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>For the last word on this debate please check out all the details at
>>alfgarnett_tilldeath.com
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>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:36:48 +0000
>>From: jano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: re is this a test
>>
>>
>>Natalie said:
>>
>>>In the UK. Telephone invented by a Scot you claim as your own of
>>course.
>>
>>And the television was invented by a Scot- a Baird as a matter of fact.
>>Jano Baird
>>
>>BTW- Thanks Anja for the grammer slammer!
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:50:47 PST
>>From: "Seamus Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>
>>I am the bloke who "made the lunatic statement about curry".
>>First off let me address that comment. In no way was that intended as a
>>barb, so relax a bit. My point was that curry is now a part of British
>>culture. Of course people of Asian decent living in Britain are British,
>>just as the people of Asian decent or Latin etc... in US are Americans. They
>>have contributed to our respective cultures and enriched them. That "lunatic
>>statement" was made as a means of expressing diversity enriches a nations
>>culture, not jeopardizes it.
>>If offense was taken ( as it clearly seems to have ) , then I apoligize,
>>none was intended.
>>
>>I am tired of the reactionary statements being slewn about. Nobody wins when
>>an insult is responded to in kind.
>>
>>
>>Seamus
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Is this a quiz?
>>>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:49:22 -0800
>>>
>>>In a message dated 10/03/00 18:16:28 GMT Standard Time,
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>writes:
>>>
>>><< Gosh how the hell did American Culture build the largest and
>>> strongest economy and country in the world? Where did that Internet
>>> start? How many musical acts have we given you.. Wait, what war did
>>> thousands of Americans die in just to save your Island from invasion.
>>> Who rebuilt London? (Cough ack cough.. thats a hard one to swallow I
>>> know.. but come on.. our taxes in someway rebuilt your damn city.) >>
>>>
>>>God - I hate this; this argument was started off by provocative
>>>anti-American
>>>statements I found a tad embarrassing to be honest with you but you've
>>>hardly
>>>dignified yourself with that tirade of confused crap which I would swear
>>>was
>>>straight from the keyboard of a 14-year-old who has just opened an AOL
>>>account. Your answers...
>>>
>>>1. We're in a no-win situation here - if you're (and if you're going to
>> >generalise then so will I) feeling persecuted over errors of your past you
>>>blame us for the way 'we' treated the Native Americans (for example) but
>>>then
>>>when you want to crow about something then it's all thanks to 'your'
>>>structures which you see as not at all influenced by factors such as
>>>British
>>>traditions of parliamentary democracy or that pesky capitalist system we
>>>started. Still...even that's coupled with factors like density of
>>>population
>>>and natural resources that have more to do with luck than with merit. ('the
>>>largest country in the world'???? Is that a real boast? I thought that was
>>>Canada anyway).
>>>
>>>2. And where did that computer start? In the UK. Telephone invented by a
>>>Scot
>>>you claim as your own of course... I'm told we took our own part in
>>>building
>>>the user interface of the World Wide Web though. Still - thanks for making
>>>us
>>>all feel a bit humble. Whenever I type a domain name (or use a zip or eat
>>>cornflakes) I will issue thanks and ask God to bless your great country.
>>>
>>>3. Thanks once again. It's hardly a competition but I like to think we've
>>>produced at least one listenable beat combo.
>>>
>>>4. Please spare us that 'to save your island from invasion' shite please,
>>>it's vastly insulting and we don't really want to ask you what you were
>>>doing
>>>three years prior to actually getting off your arses. So why exactly did
>>>you
>>>get involved in World War II? Absolutely nothing to do with self-interest
>>>I'm
>>>sure. I was under the impression that Britain and the U.S. were only two of
>>>the nations that paid a huge price in saving THE WORLD from Nazism. Who
>>>exactly feeds you this preposterous crap that you were the bleeding hearts
>>>of
>>>the world somehow doing us a huge favour? Is it a superior educational
>>>system? You are only talking about our grandparents' generation and this is
>>>still really, really offensive. Wash your mouth out young man.
>>>
>>>5. We did. Thanks for lending us that money, though, which we're still
>>>paying
>>>you back today (with interest). Did your taxes build all your own cities?
>>>If
>>>so, why haven't you got one as good as London?
>>>
>>>By the way, WE work longer hours than everyone in Europe as well. I'm an
>>>adopted Londoner (of two years). There are only two things worth moaning
>>>about - the amount of calcium carbonate in the water and the dearth of
>>>decent
>>>pie shops.* I am constantly impressed by its beauty and even aspects of its
>>>ugliness (which seems to prove that it isn't a dead theme park city like
>>>er...Venice, for example). Still - I'd be pissed off if I didn't live here
>>>too (I was for twenty-five years).
>>>
>>>Agh and to the bloke who made the lunatic statement about curry - talk
>>>about
>>>missing the point! The curry doesn't represent us 'losing our own culture',
>>>it's a great British dish! The Asian people in this country are British too
>>>-
>>>what is different about so many Americanisms is that they haven't been
>>>brought in by immigrants but by a distant popular culture. I find that's a
>>>really bland and tedious process as it seems to involve the wholescale
>>>imposition of crass cultural trends, whereas immigrants contribute to the
>>>environment whilst being influenced by it (that's what makes the English
>>>language so special). Why can't people get their heads around this
>>>distinction?
>>>
>>>Natalie
>>>
>>>*No! A third - Mods May Day.
>>>_____________________________________________________________
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>>>http://www.topica.com/topica20
>>
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>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:14:40 -0800
>>From: Daniel Geddes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Nationalism and it's effect on Rock
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:19:04 EST
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Nationalism and it's effect on Rock
>>>
>>> All this (well trodden) talk about nationalism in our little scene is
>>> actually slightly related to something I experienced on our recent tour of
>>> Spain. The tour was just great, you can imagine, and the mod kids
>>>that I met
>> > there were very cool. they definitely had the clothing thing
>>together, I was
>>> feeling decidedly scruffy in comparison.
>>>
>>> Anyway, this certainly isn't the case with everyone I met, but a lot of the
>>> people who came to our shows expressed to me that they saw us as
>>> representative of American rock and roll. A fellow who had driven 100 km to
>>> see us was saying how excited he was to see a real American band. (in fact,
>>> we were billed as 'Power Pop Genuino' at one venue, which sounds like the
>>> particular kind of Esperanto idiotico that I used throughout the tour). I
>>> asked him if there weren't a lot of Spanish rock bands that he liked and he
>>> said that it just wasn't the same as seeing a real American rock band. In
>>> fact, he told me that most of the non-Spanish bands that they get in Spain
>>> come from the UK which just about guarantees that they stare at the floor
>>> when they play. He was quite excited to see a band jump about and
>>>sweat while
>>> playing. It left me with a certain sense of responsibility to
>>>somehow live up
>>> to this guys expectations of being an American rock band. I
>>>didn't know if we
>>> should just do Little Richard numbers, or what. It certainly made us go all
>>> out to put on a goo show. Anyway, it was just something I
>>>experienced, and I
>>> certainly don't mean it to sound condescending ('cuz I heard a
>>>number of good
>>> Spanish bands there). By the way, if anyone has some extra time on their
>>> hands, I've posted my tour diary at www.monolyth.com/pills.htm
>>> Corin
>>>
>>
>>I don't know if you've seen Dr. Explosion, but they 're a Power
>>pop/garage band from
>>Spain. They played in San Francisco about a year ago, and those guys jumped
>>around more than any band I've seen in my life.. It's like they
>>just discovered the pogo.
>>Definitely didn't stare at the ground, and in fact, spent much of
>>the show actually IN the audience.
>>So much for stereotypes.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:38:04 EST
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 12/03/00 14:44:22 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>writes:
>>
>><< Thank god American education is better than British education: >>
>>
>>Yeah I know - Bill Clinton eh? And for heaven's sake don't take me as
>>representative of the British educational system. (Which hardly needs me to
>>defend it). We're a 'melting pot' too - lordy have you never heard of Blue
>>Mink?! ('Take a piece of Chinky...' or whatever they sang in all their
>>wisdom).
>>
>>Hmm...'Hitler was too incompetent to actually take your island' - a cynic
>>would almost think that this statement was your subtle way of deriding the
>>achievement of the British forces. Still, I (being deeply happy-go-lucky and
>>amiable) know that you wouldn't really be thick-skinned enough to do this
>>since yours are even today internationally renowned for their curiously
>>self-congratulatory inability to organise a piss-up in a brewery. So you
>>'saved' the French, the Dutch and the Germans. Very kind. Sorry to
>>over-stress a point but - you didn't do it all on your own. And, in any case,
>>it was the least we all could have done.
>>
>>I bloody hate militarism and jingoism (I'd be equally sickened if those
>>statements were from, say, a British person directed at someone from mainland
>>Europe) and have to respond when somebody writes to a 'modslist' and has to
>>make patronising references to World War II in order to defend Americans
>>(something that could surely be done by other means - I could do it, why
>>can't you?)
>>
>>I suppose our 'best and brightest' are always going to go where the money is
>>- still - please feel free to keep hold of Catherine Zeta Jones, Rod Stewart
>>and Jackie bleeding Collins.
>>
>>Denial of horrible Protestant work ethic: I have been unemployed for a
>>fortnight after four days in a new job and am having a great time. Even when
>>I had a job I never actually 'worked' in any meaningful sense - I mentioned
>>it cos that bloke seemed to think that life over here was in some way
>>'relaxed.'
>>
>>And who the hell was Charles Babbage then? He must have done summat
>>significant to have had the computer on 'Family Fortunes' named after him.
>>
>>Genuinely interested,
>>
>>Natalie
>>
>>P.S. Sorry for being self-seeking but - can somebody do me a brief summary of
>>the car thread please? Can anyone name any current cars that aren't crap yet
>>manage to avoid being completely devoid of style?
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:14:17 -0800
>>From: Jacqueline Rothfork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Ericofon Info and pricing
>>
>>
>>Ericofons were the "Stylish one piece phone" designed by Ericsson in
>>Sweden. They later bought North Electric in Ohio and made them in the USA
>>as well. This was the first one piece telephone made and is a design
>>favorite. The rotary dial is on the bottom, and you hang up the phone by
>>putting it down. The rotary dialed Ericofons may or may not have a ringer
>>on them while the very rare European Ericofon 700's which never made it to
>>the US all have ringers on them. They come in all colors essentially with
>>even a rare and much sought after clear color who's transparent plastic
>>allows the user to see the inner workings.
>>
>>Some Ericofons for sale can be found at the following links with prices in
>>the $75- $200 range depending on color and dialing method (rotary or push
>>button). Also a search on ebay yielded 36 auctions for Ericofons....
>>
>>http://www.ericofon.com/
>> -Everything you ever wanted to know about these strange phones
>>
>>http://www.vintagephones.com/Ericofon.html
>> -Big selection with 1 year warranty but only the earlier rotary types
>>available here
>>
>>http://www.oldphones.com/ericofon.html
>>
>>http://www.thephonesource.com/antiques.htm#PS507001
>> -Check under the RETRODESK item type
>>
>>http://members.aol.com/recollectn/phones3.htm
>> -OK selection here with many colors and dialing types
>>
>>
>>Katherine Benson wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have any info on them, but am interested too...
>>> Please let me know as well if you can get a hold of one or two..
>>> Kate
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello,
>>> > I`m after one of those odd standing up phones, I believe called
>>> > Ericaphones, and I believe to be Swedish. Anyone got any knowledge of
>>> > these ? Anyone know the "going rate", and anyone know where I can buy
>>> > one online ?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks in advance for your help,
>>> > David W.
>>> > --
>>> > David Walker
>>> >
>>> > Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>>> > http://www.modculture.com
>>> >
>>> > Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>>> > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>> >
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>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:33:22 EST
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: Nationalism and it's effect on Rock
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 3/12/00 3:13:01 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>><< I don't know if you've seen Dr. Explosion, but they 're a Power pop/garage
>>band from
>> Spain. They played in San Francisco about a year ago, and those guys jumped
>> around more than any band I've seen in my life.. It's like they just
>>discovered the pogo.
>> Definitely didn't stare at the ground, and in fact, spent much of the show
>>actually IN the audience.
>> So much for stereotypes.
>>
>> Dan >>
>>
>>Sounds great. I'm against stereo types anyway, I think it sounds better in
>>mono.
>>Corin
>>
>>
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>>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:35:33 EST
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 3/12/00 5:38:55 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>><< please feel free to keep hold of Catherine Zeta Jones >>
>>
>>Well, if you insist...
>>
>>
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>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:45:37 PST
>>From: "Dana Gier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>>From: gordon wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>wasn't the current Maddonna song written by an American...
>>
>>Probably. And, of course, almost every soul, blues, and r & b song, ever.
>>
>>Now, the Spice Girls. I can pretty much guarantee you that all their songs
>>were written by Brits...
>>
>>"I am a citizen of the world"
>>
>>- Socrates(or maybe Plato)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>D
>>
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>>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:32:49 PST
>>From: "Dana Gier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: The Skatalites
>>
>>
>>>From: Soul Stomper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I don't know if anyone here is interested, but 60s
>>>Jamaican Ska legends, The Skatalites, will be playing
>>>the Comfort Zone in Toronto on April 1st. This event
>>>will be licensed/all-ages and doors open at 9pm. No
>>>word yet on the cost though. Sorry if this is an
>>>innapropriate forum for this post.
>>
>>
>>How could anyone not love the Skatalites? However, with both Roland Alphonso
>>and Tommy McCook passing away a couple of years ago(God bless their souls),
>>I don't really think it's the same thing.
>>
>>D
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:36:51 -0000
>>From: Andrew Broughton-Braithwaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: RE: I ain't bothered...
>>
>>
>>* Son of Ex Pat Scots here
>>So how can you comment about the English?
>>Your parents were Scottish, you are an American.
>>We invented curry by the way.
>>Your name is Seamus - You poor poor man.
>>
>>
>>John Drefahl is a prick. John try using the word 'than' rather than 'then'
>>you know nothing fuckwitted no-mark.
>>
>>
>>Here ends my stunning contribution to this debate.
>>
>>
>>Andy BB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Seamus Watson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: 11 March 2000 15:05
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: I ain't bothered...
>>
>> Son of Ex Pat Scots here, Oats is actually a separate food group
>>among
>> Scots.
>>
>> Seamus
>>
>> >From: gordon wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Subject: Re: I ain't bothered...
>> >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:26:11 -0800
>> >
>> >>From: Seamus Watson >what about haggis on toasted oatcakes? that
>>is a bit
>> >>of eating.>The oats clean out your system anyway, so eat up.
>> >>>Seamus
>> >
>> >Oat cuisine, no thanks!
>> >In England they feed it to the horses, in Scotland it is the
>>national dish
>> >-
>> >as my english friends would say!
>> >Porridge though- has to be Scot's Porridge Oats, not the crap Piper
>>
>> >brand...
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>>Date: Mon, 13-Mar-2000 09:29:09 GMT
>>From: Julian Lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: RE: Julian the *******
>>
>>
>>
>>flint wrote:
>>> Four letter words I can guess at, but seven??
>>That well known censored animal, the bastard, I'd guess.
>>
>>Only by conception, Paul.
>>
>>
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>>Date: Mon, 13-Mar-2000 09:32:31 GMT
>>From: Julian Lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: RE: 6 places
>>
>>
>> > *Amsterdam - they speak better english (just kidding, alright?),
>>Probably true - certainly true in Stockholm. Must be because they
>>studied it at school.
>>
>>
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>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:48:07 -0000
>>From: Andrew Broughton-Braithwaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: RE: Those Swedish Telephones.....are they called Ericaphones ?
>>
>>
>>I saw some yesterday in (boom is it)?
>>That rip-off furniture shop over the road from the Stables in Camden.
>>
>>They wanted =A399 for the mk one and =A375 for the mk2.
>>
>>They are often coming up on Ebay though.
>>Can't see what you see in them myself...
>>
>>Cheers
>>AndyBB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: 12 March 2000 14:38
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Those Swedish Telephones.....are they called
>>Ericaphones ?
>>
>> Hello,
>> I`m after one of those odd standing up phones, I believe called
>> Ericaphones, and I believe to be Swedish. Anyone got any knowledge
>>of
>> these ? Anyone know the "going rate", and anyone know where I can
>>buy
>> one online ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help,
>> David W.
>> --=20
>> David Walker
>>
>> Northern Mods Website And Mailing List:
>> http://www.modculture.com
>>
>> Paul Weller Links And Trading Zone:
>> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html
>>
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>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:25:14 +0100
>>From: "Pablo de la Cruz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: RE: Is this a quiz?
>>
>>
>>From: John M. Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>| - The very first computer was the abacus, invented by some ancient
>>Chinaman
>>| (nope not British). The first computer was the ENIAC 1, invented by in
>>1946
>>| John Mauchly and John Eckert who were working for the United States Army
>>| (nope not the British Army). The first personal computer was the Altair
>>| 8800 invented in 1974 by Californian (nope not Londoner) Ed Roberts.
>Correction: think Charles Babbage. Or better still, think Ada Byron. Or even
>better, think Blaise Pascal, not only he invented the first calculating
>machine in 1642, but also found the time to create a complex philosophical
>system AND he was a lazy bloodsucking French shit (your words, not mine). By
>the way, was any American (notice that I include *my* Spanish Americans)
>creating calculating machines or anything more complex than an axe handle in
>1642? I thought so. You rookies. ;-)
>
>| - The internet was started in 1969 by the U.S. military and was know as
>the
>| ARPAnet. The HTTP protocol which is the basis of the web was created at
>the
>| Swiss CERN labratory in 1993. HTTP was made usable by an American,
>Netscape
>| founder Marc Andreesen in 1994.
>If "usable" and "profitable" are synonymous in your book, you might be
>right.
>
>| - And on average, Americans work more hours per week than Britons. So we
>all
>| can't be lazy bloodsucking shits like the French. What was your point?
>Do you really think that working your arse off makes you a *better* person?
>If so, those Third World workers that actually sustain most of your
>country's economy must be on the verge of sanctity. And yes, I know that
>they also sustain my economy, but I don't go patronising over the virtues of
>Protestant working ethics. So your grandparents saved us from Hitler in
>order for you to throw us to Megacorporation Inc. - Big deal. Fuck, this is
>the modslist, isn't it? - wasn't it all supposed to be about hedonism??!!
>
>---Pablo de la Cruz, a lazy bloodsucking shit and proud of it, and heading
>for my siesta head first.
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