So If i want to use SIGUSER1 then I need to konw the PID with the help of
process daemon name right.
On Thursday 25 July 2024 at 12:51:08 UTC+5:30 RajKumar Ambadipelli wrote:
> Ok, If I have only two virtualhosts all the time and I am going to change
> only python-path will that work with the direct signal using SIGUSR1.
>
> If the above is possible then I think I have some kind of solution.
>
> Thankyou,
> RajKumar
>
> On Thursday 25 July 2024 at 12:35:09 UTC+5:30 Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>
>> Are you always using the same two virtual host server names and just
>> updating the version number in the paths?
>>
>> On 25 Jul 2024, at 4:21 PM, RajKumar Ambadipelli <arkki...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes I am adding new virtual hosts when ever I want to release a new
>> version of that services lets say initially my virtualhost config will be
>> like
>>
>> #Students Webservice Config
>> Listen 9002 <VirtualHost *:9002>
>> ServerName test.myapp.com
>> ErrorLog /var/log/webservice_error.log
>> WSGIPassAuthorization On
>> WSGIDaemonProcess Tes9002 python-path=/home/uoadmin/releases/1.0.0
>> /students:/home/admin/releases/1.0.0/shared display-name=%{GROUP}
>> WSGIProcessGroup Tes9002 WSGIApplicationGroup %{GLOBAL}
>> WSGIScriptAlias / /home/admin/releases/1.0.0/students/conf/wsgi.py
>> <Directory /home/admin/releases/1.0.0/students/conf>
>> <Files wsgi.py> Require all granted </Files>
>> </Directory>
>> </VirtualHost>
>>
>> When i want to go for new releases the down part is appended to above
>> part
>>
>> <VirtualHost *:9002>
>> ServerName dev.myapp.com
>> ErrorLog /var/log/webservice_error.log
>> WSGIPassAuthorization On
>> WSGIDaemonProcess Dev9002 python- path=/home/uoadmin/releases/1.1.0
>> /students:/home/admin/releases/1.1.0/shared display-name=%{GROUP}
>> WSGIProcessGroup Dev9002 WSGIApplicationGroup %{GLOBAL}
>> WSGIScriptAlias / /home/admin/releases/1.1.0/students/conf/wsgi.py
>> <Directory /home/admin/releases/1.1.0/students/conf>
>> <Files wsgi.py> Require all granted </Files>
>> </Directory>
>> </VirtualHost>
>>
>>
>> Now I am going to have two virtualhosts with two daemons 1st is already
>> recognized by apache server where as second one is not yet recognized by
>> apache server
>>
>> Thankyou,
>> RajKumar
>>
>> On Thursday 25 July 2024 at 11:40:31 UTC+5:30 Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>>
>>> What is the reason for doing the graceful restart? Is it because you are
>>> adding/removing virtual hosts, or making some other Apache config change.
>>>
>>> You do not need to do a complete Apache restart if just want to force a
>>> daemon process to restart, you can instead send the processes a signal
>>> directly. From memory it is SIGUSR1 that triggers a graceful restart of
>>> processes, but you will need to confirm that.
>>>
>>> On 25 Jul 2024, at 3:28 PM, RajKumar Ambadipelli <arkki...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> When i have 260 microservices those all are light weight applications
>>> using same python interpreter and with django rest api framework, and
>>> currently each application hosted on apache server usign mod_wsgi daemon
>>> mode and my main problem is while making changes to one of application
>>> virtualhost other ongoing daemons are distured as i need to reload or
>>> restart.
>>> All those 260 services very light weight each listen to http request on
>>> unique ports.
>>>
>>> ThankYou
>>> RajKumar
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 23 July 2024 at 16:37:42 UTC+5:30 Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>>>
>>>> One can optimise embedded mode for better performance, but I would put
>>>> a big caveat on that and say is only probably a good idea to tackle if you
>>>> have the one web service.
>>>>
>>>> Running 260 micro services in one Apache httpd instance with mod_wsgi
>>>> sounds rather scary either way.
>>>>
>>>> If you use mod_wsgi daemon mode where each micro service is in its own
>>>> daemon process group (with a single process and small number of threads),
>>>> then you might get away with it if these aren't high volume sites. That
>>>> said, it is still a lot of managed daemon mode processes and not sure how
>>>> well Apache will handle that, especially on restarts.
>>>>
>>>> Running them all in embedded mode would be a bad idea if each needs a
>>>> separate Python interpreter context because the Apache worker process
>>>> would
>>>> be huge in size. If Apache httpd was configured for prefork MPM it would
>>>> be
>>>> even worse because you would have a potentially large number of worker
>>>> processes since all are single thread. You also run a big risk with micro
>>>> services interfering with each other in strange ways if running in
>>>> different sub interpreter contexts of the one process due to how Python
>>>> imports C extensions, and process wide environment variables work. Various
>>>> third party Python packages with C extensions will not even work in Python
>>>> sub interpreters (eg., anything related to numpy).
>>>>
>>>> You definitely want event or worker MPM, but even then, for 260 micro
>>>> services, if they need separate Python interpreter context I can't really
>>>> recommend it still because of size concerns for processes and potential
>>>> cross sub interpreter interference.
>>>>
>>>> So the question is whether when you said 260 micro services you really
>>>> mean independent web applications, or whether you just mean you have 260
>>>> different unique HTTP handlers as part of the one application, and thus in
>>>> the same Python interpreter context.
>>>>
>>>> When people talk about such large number of micro services, usually you
>>>> would not be aiming to host them in a single Apache instance but would
>>>> instead be looking at running something which can handle things at scale
>>>> like Kubernetes and creating separate deployments for them in that,
>>>> relying
>>>> on the ingress routing Kubernetes provides to get traffic to the
>>>> appropriate micro service.
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Jul 2024, at 7:13 PM, RajKumar Ambadipelli <arkki...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> mod_wsgi in embeded mode allows graceful restart,
>>>> What are the potential issues that I will face if I use mod_wsgi in
>>>> embedded mode instead of daemon mode,
>>>> I have to host around 260 python micro services.
>>>>
>>>> I have saw your blog on 'why are you using mod_wsgi in embedded mode?'
>>>> But, I unable to understand it very well in that you mentioned if we
>>>> configure mpm settings correctly then mod_wsgi in embedded mode is better
>>>> than daemon mode but not mentioned any configurations.
>>>>
>>>> Thanking you,
>>>> RajKumar
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday 23 July 2024 at 13:04:50 UTC+5:30 Graham Dumpleton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23 Jul 2024, at 4:09 PM, RajKumar Ambadipelli <arkki...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using Apache Server with mod_wsgi for hosting my python django
>>>>> applications. Versions: Python 3.9.18 Server version: Apache/2.4.57
>>>>> mod-wsgi==4.7.1
>>>>>
>>>>> One of my application virtual host configuration with two different
>>>>> versions:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> So, When the source code is modified I can referesh the wsgi daemon
>>>>> using touch /home/uoadmin/releases/1.1.0/students/conf/wsgi.py touch
>>>>> /home/uoadmin/releases/1.0.0/students/conf/wsgi.py But when I added new
>>>>> virtualhost to the above configuration file or else when I modify above
>>>>> file the apache server unable to recognize modifications made the
>>>>> existing
>>>>> virtualhost or newly added virtualhost until doing apachectl graceful
>>>>> (or)
>>>>> apachectl restart (or) systemctl reload httpd but all the commands above
>>>>> killing the ongoing requests forcefully directly terminating them.
>>>>>
>>>>> How to handle above situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to know how will apache server recognize modifications to
>>>>> virtualhost or newly added virtual host without reloading or restarting.
>>>>>
>>>>> It can't, Apache httpd requires you to perform a restart (reload) in
>>>>> order to read changes to the Apache configuration files. That is how it
>>>>> works.
>>>>>
>>>>> If above is not possible then is there anyway for restarting or
>>>>> reloading apache server gracefully that is without terminating or killing
>>>>> other ongoing requests or daemons while using apache server + mod_wsgi
>>>>> for
>>>>> serving python with django?
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately not. The way Apache httpd manages the mod_wsgi daemon
>>>>> processes it will force a restart of those as well and even though Apache
>>>>> has a concept of graceful restart for it's own worker child processes, it
>>>>> doesn't extend that to managed process like the mod_wsgi daemon process
>>>>> and
>>>>> always restarts them immediately even when it is a graceful restart.
>>>>> There
>>>>> is nothing that can be done about this.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only way you could handle it if you need to be able to freely
>>>>> restart the main Apache server and have it not affect your Python web
>>>>> applications, is to run the Python web applications in distinct secondary
>>>>> web server processes and use the main Apache server to only proxy
>>>>> requests
>>>>> through to the secondary web servers.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the second web servers you could use mod_wsgi-express to make
>>>>> things easier, but you could also just not use mod_wsgi for the secondary
>>>>> web servers and use gunicorn or some other standalone Python WSGI/asyncio
>>>>> web server.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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