That sounds like a very innovative approach:  I'd be interested if Jerry
would weigh in on how many swing-keel 17's he built and why he discontinued
them.  Is your old 17' still sailing?

My last sail of the season was on a Sandpiper 565, which has a dagger board
raised and lowered with a screw.  The dagger board isn't prone to banging
because it's seated firmly in its trunk and can be retracted completely.
The problem with the design is that the boat won't sail when the board is
retracted and it takes 95 (at least, I think that's what the owner's manual
said) very difficult cranks to lower it completely.

Imagine this scenario (I lived it):

You ground close to shore.  No problem, because you have a retractable
dagger board and a beachable boat.  But, as you retract the board to free
the boat, you lose steerage, so the wind that could take you away from the
shore if the board were down simply pushes you further into the shallows.
So (okay, this is embarrassing, but I'll continue) someone jumps out of the
boat to push you offshore (yeah, we were in that far) and point the bow in
the right direction.  However, even though you now have the momentum to
escape, you can't steer because the board is up, so you have someone at the
tiller screaming that the board needs to be dropped while you furiously try
to crank it down in the few seconds you have before you ground again.

It turned out alright, but it was a quick lesson on the shortcomings of a
screw-driven dagger board.

Okay, I can't beach my M17' like the Sandpiper, but I've beach-camped,
anchoring my Monty in shin-deep water (and I'm only 5' tall) and schlepping
my gear ashore.  It seems, in my limited experience, that the
keel/centerboard arrangement is the best option in the trailer-sailor's
world of compromises.

----- Original Message -----
From: "L Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:52 PM
Subject: Genuine Swing Keel

I'm curious to know, did your swing keel "bang" in the trunk at anchor or in
stays

Not that I can remember.........The keel was raised or lowered into position
using a "worm gear" which was operated by a crank on the aft end of the
trunk.  Since the weight of the keel was supported by the pivot pin, the
worm gear would hold the keel in any position desired.  It also kept the
keel from swinging fore and aft when sailing in rough water.

It was much easier to operate than the conventional winch and cable systems
used on a lot of other boats..........and no fretting about the line
slipping out of your hand and dropping the board.  It helped fine tune the
trim on the boat as well............

Lenny






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