Connie: I like the one quart oil container idea. Is this one of the rectangular plastic containers that you typically buy motor oil in? I would have thought that when the gas warms up, the container would ballon up but I'll try it. Perfect for motoring back in on a day trip. You are right, several will fit in the sail locker and would hold just the right amount for a single filling. It's difficult to see the level in the black honda gas tank interior as you're pouring gas in (leaning over the side as the boat bounces in the chop). On a longer trip, the 3 galon Tempo with a squeeze bulb would work. I think Doug metioned using something like that on the Key West trip.
One a side note: How about a report on the Annapolis Rendevous guys, And pictures. Fair winds Don Ludlow M-15 #620 Sweet Dream -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 8, Issue 38 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: gas cap air vent (Smith, Tom) 2. Intro.... (The Tentmakers) 3. Re: Intro.... (Mark Escovedo) 4. Re: any diesel expert available ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5. Re: Intro.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 6. Re: any diesel expert available ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 7. Re: C'mon, join the Pardey! (wayne yeargain) 8. Re: Gas filling.. (wayne yeargain) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:39:21 -0800 From: "Smith, Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: M_Boats: gas cap air vent To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've mentioned this in the past, but since we're on the subject of Honda 2s, the air vent will clog up sometimes too (especially if you keep your boat in the water for extended periods with motor attached), resulting in the engine starving out for lack of fuel. I've gotten into the habit of taking my cap apart mid-season and cleaning the airway of spider webs and dust and gunk. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:34:07 -0700 From: "The Tentmakers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: M_Boats: Intro.... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/montgomery_boats/attachm ents/20031029/3904c721/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:22:09 -0800 From: "Mark Escovedo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Intro.... To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Gloria and Dale' Welcome back to the fold. I would say you're 71 years young by the sound of it. Sail on! Mark Escovedo "Chunky Dory" M17 F/D #103 ----- Original Message ----- From: The Tentmakers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: M_Boats: Intro.... Hi folks. We're Dale and Gloria Lilly. We own M17 #038 [1974] which has been redone a bit including new mast and boom. She's got the galley and we've added to that making her only capable of sleeping two. She's red with an off-white superstructure [I guess you can call it that on a 17' boat]. Dale is pastor of the San Carlos Community Church in San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico. We're on the Sea of Cortez and are here about 8 months each year. We have another sailboat iln the US [Idaho]. We're old [72 shortly] and have been sailing for about 43 years. We owned a M17 in the 1990's but let her go. We're glad to have her back. At our age ... and enjoying trailering all over the US, she's all the boat we need and can comfortably handle. Craig asked if we had digital pics. No ... maybe later. If you get down to San Carlos, give us a call at 226-1553. H. Dale Lilly and Gloria L. Lilly San Carlos Community Church ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/montgomery_boats/attachm ents/20031029/2e56c50a/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:58:21 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M_Boats: any diesel expert available To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi MC Many years ago I had a 25 foot Norwegian double ended fishing boat type built in Norway. We took delivery in Rotterdam, Netherlands, and then went from Rotterdam via inland waterways to Belgium, France and finally to the Seine in Paris, where we lived at that time. (140 locks almost all hand operated!) The boat had a SABB 10 HP single cylinder diesel with a variable pitch prop. A variable pitch prop is HEAVEN! It is total control under all situations. Going up the Meuse River in Belgium, we'd have to wait for a lock to open. You just throttle back to idle; pflumpf - pflumpf - pflumpf goes the diesel, and you hold your position in the river current by gently giving it a bit of forward pitch or, if moving to much, just go back to flat pitch, .........and wait a bit. I have been mourning for my variable pitch prop ever since..................... But, how do you plan to mount the engine and get the shaft out with the centerboard trunk in the way? Connie ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:05:50 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M_Boats: Intro.... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dale and Gloria, Welcome to the list. You live in a great sailing location. I trailered Miss T (M17 # 372) there this past June for 10 days sailing north out of San Carlos. While it was very HOT, there was almost no humidity and there were always good mid-day sailing winds. I wish I had known you were there, we could have gone sailing together. Oh well, San Carlos is on my list of "go back to" places so we may be able to sail the next time. Fair Winds John Edwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/montgomery_boats/attachm ents/20031029/5ff0692a/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:04:14 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M_Boats: any diesel expert available To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The shaft should slide out the back, not fwd into the cabin. Also, neither the motor or prop have to be put in the centerline. I had a 32' sharpie ketch with offset 30 hp Atomic 4 engine and centerline shaft/prop. The motor wouldn't fit on centerline because of the mizzen mast. It was chain driven just like a bicycle and worked fine. Another 42' gaff ketch had both 60 hp Chris Craft engine and prop off center. Built new back in 1934 this way. It isn't the most efficient setup but I couldn't tell the difference when motoring. Bill P. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/montgomery_boats/attachm ents/20031029/2e31cd20/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:59:49 -0600 From: "wayne yeargain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: C'mon, join the Pardey! To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Bill Enjoyed your account of rudder sculling your Monty 15. Might be intresting to you to know I too have used this technique on occasion on my M17 & it does work, however as the weight of a boat goes up the effect goes down proportianally. I have even used it on my previous boat a Hunter 23 which weigs in at #2500 . Regards Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Gigi Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: C'mon, join the Pardey! > I've been lurking on the list, for some time, enjoying the questions and > answers, and especially the friendliness and helpful attitudes. > > I thought I'd drop in and mention how easy it is to scull the '15' with > its rudder. By rhythmically flipping the rudder from side to side, it's > very easy to propel the boat forward. I discovered this the very first > time I took my boat out, which happened to be in the San Juaquin delta. > My 2 horse Honda died just as I left the marina and entered the main > channel. The current immediately caught me and was carrying me toward a > low bridge and I didn't have time to get the sails up. Out of > desperation, I started pumping the tiller back and forth and, lo and > behold, I started moving against the current. I sculled the boat about > a quarter mile against a slow but relentless current and got back into > the marina. At that point, without the current, I probably could have > pulled a skier or two. Fear does that to a person. > > Since then, I often maneuver into and out of slips and away from docks > using this rudder sculling technique. To move forward just flip the > tiller rapidly from side to side and as far as possible each way, with a > very slight hesitation at the end of each stroke. To turn to port, flip > the rudder rapidly to the port side and return it slowly to the the > starboard side and repeat. You'll be able to turn the boat almost on a > dime. > > I discovered that first day of sailing my "15" that I hadn't opened the > gas valve on the outboard, and it died as soon as it consumed the > thimbleful of gas in the carb. Now, that's on my checklist of > pre-launch tasks. Also, that day, I realized how easy it would be to > lose the gas cap on the Honda motor. Fortunately, I didn't lose it, but > I figured I had better do something before I did. I bought a plastic > spring loaded clip (like you would use for clipping papers or a small > towel on the wall) and attached it with double sided tape to the motor > case. When you remove the gas cap, you just clip it to the motor with > the clip and it stays put. Later, I got a more substantial clip and > mounted it with screws, but the original one lasted two years or so. > > We're Bill and Gigi Day and we bought our boat new in 1986. It's number > 363, but we've never named it. We jokingly call it "das boot", but > don't really want that as an official name. After reading this list and > seeing all the clever boat names, I've decided that I must soon name the > boat lest it develop a complex. When we settle on something, the list > will be the first to know. > > We sailed mostly in the delta, San Francisco Bay and many northern > California lakes. We enjoyed camping on the boat or guesting in marinas > and yacht clubs. We belonged to the Potter Yachters, and also the > Lakeville Yacht Club. > > About 6 years ago, we moved to Houston, Missouri. If you can find > Houston on a map (it's only half a dot, and one of those places Rand > doesn't even tell McNally about), you'll see that it's the farthest > place in Missouri from any body of water. We can drive a couple of > hours, though, and be at some pretty nice lakes. Most of the lake > traffic is power boats, and as a sail boat, we're pretty much a novelty. > I don't know how many times I've been asked what makes it go, and how > can it sail into the wind. When I explain, I usually get, "Whooeee! > What won't they think of next!" > > I'll look forward to participating in the discussions on the list. In > my years of sailing the '15' I've made every mistake possible (repeating > some two or three times), so I'm a treasure trove of bad experience. In > a future message (this one's already too long) I'll relate my adventure > of picking my boat up at the factory. It's one of those events that > wasn't too much fun at the time, but is funny to look back on. > > Bill & Gigi Day > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:13:28 -0600 From: "wayne yeargain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gas filling.. To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Jan Glad to hear you have a Omega, I have one also, great little boat mines a '78, also have a Sunfish of indeterminate age, and a '76 M17. Sometimes if i'm going to a place where I know there is little wind (most state parks for example) I'll take the Omega, it does well in light winds. Regards Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Debaene To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gas filling.. We have one of those gas cans described below. It is wonderful! Never, ever spilled gas anymore! The only downside is that it doesn't work on cars, only on lawnmowers or other similar gas tanks. Jan Paul Debaene Capri Omega 14 (dreaming of a Montgomery) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. We're new to the list ... own a 1974 Montgomery 17 that has been restored and has some improvements. I noted the item about filling tanks on small motors: Briggs and Stratton makes [or made] a one gallon can with a patented fill tube that shut off automatically when the receiving tank was full. No muss .. no fuss .. no bother. I think they are still available at good lawnmower shops etc. H. Dale and Gloria L. 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