My 4-horse, 4-stroke Nissan(Tohatsu) pushes my 17' very well, but I don't deal with San Francisco Bay tides ...
----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 and trim Larry: I'm motor shopping. Do you think the 4 hp Suzuki is big enough for the M17, or is 6 hp necessary? --Gary On Aug 05, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: > Hey, that nice white M17 at Vashon Island was probably Dik and Ann > Lang's > "Sweet Pea" and that gas engine hanging on the stern would be their new > Suzuki 4hp 4stroke. (The engine I would like to get.) They were on the > San Juan trip this year. > > Tullamore sits pretty level when loaded for a trip. I move the ice > chest > into the cabin and shove the duffel bag forward on the V berth when I > start sailing. If I have a passenger or 2, that's not enough and the > stern drags some. > > Larry > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:05:43 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Thanks Larry, >> >> Yes, I am using an electric trolling motor and so far it has worked >> very >> well (though I still tell everyone interested ... or not .. that it >> is >> an experiment). It weighs about 17 lbs or the entire package >> including >> batteries weighs about 120 lbs. Probably not too far different than >> a >> small gas 4-stroke plus extra fuel just the location of the weight >> is >> different. >> >> She sails very nicely trimmed as she is with the batteries forward. >> With >> two medium sized humans in the cockpit the trim is about neutral. >> It >> just looks a bit funny to see this beauty nose down a bit on the >> buoy or >> for that matter when I am motoring solo. Under sail she seems to >> look >> and act right smart. >> >> I guess my real question is ... How do the other M17s float with all >> the >> gear on board ready for a short sail but absent the Lord and Master >> and >> the various mates? ( I was recently in Puget Sound and in >> particular in >> Quartermaster Harbor on Vashon Island (terrific wind!) and there in >> the >> Dockton public marina sat a lovely white hull M17. I didn't have >> time to >> look closely but she seemed to be sitting nice and level and, yes, >> Larry, >> she did have a gas engine hanging off the stern.) >> >> Thanks for your input. I'll continue fussing with this to see what >> combination works best. >> >> Fred >> Dulce >> >> On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:48:02 -0700 Larry E Yake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> writes: >>> Fred, >>> I didn't see any other replies on this, so I'll give it a shot. >>> According to Jerry and the speed guys, the rule of thumb on both >> the >>> M17 >>> and the M15 is get the weight as far forward as possible. You >> want >>> to >>> have the transom out of the water as much as possible for good >> boat >>> speed, as it causes drag. 3 inches seems like a lot, but you're >>> carrying >>> a lot of battery weight there. Are you using an electric motor? If >> >>> you >>> don't have an outboard hanging on the transom, that would explain >> >>> the >>> difference in trim. I wouldn't think you'd want to move the weight >> >>> much >>> further back than the mast support. >>> Larry >>> >>> On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:38:05 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>> M-17 ers, >>>> >>>> I have two, frame 24 batteries which I installed on a platform >>> which >>>> is >>>> glassed in just forward of the mast support strattling the >>>> centerline and >>>> under the bunks. I haven't weighed them but that is about 100 >> lbs >>> >>>> total. >>>> The problem is Dulce sits in the water heavy by the bow (about >> >>>> three >>>> inches lower in the bow) . I concluded that the two batteries >> are >>> >>>> the >>>> reason. I temporarily, just to check it out, moved the >> batteries >>> >>>> aft and >>>> on either side of the CB trunk. This helped the trim but did >> not >>> >>>> correct >>>> it entirely. It is clear that the bow section displaces less >>> water >>>> than >>>> the stern part so it is logical that heavy stuff be stowed aft. >> >>> But >>>> even >>>> with the 100 lbs of battery further aft she sits with the stern >> >>>> about an >>>> inch or more higher than the bow as indicated by the factory >>>> located >>>> water line (boat fully rigged but with no humans on board). >>>> >>>> Does anyone else have this issue? >>>> >>>> Once I get a couple of folks in the cockpit everything evens >> out. >>> >>>> Is >>>> that by design? >>>> >>>> Fred Berthrong >>>> Dulce M17 #300 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:06:05 -0700 "jerry" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> writes: >>>>> If I can comment- that's probably the best place for a >> battery. >>>>> >>>>> Jerry >>>>> jerrymontgomery.org >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Brian Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:01 PM >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Steve: >>>>>> >>>>>> The original battery location on my M17 was under the port >>>> berth, >>>>> but it >>>>> was >>>>>> too small for the monster battery I just bought for Tiny >>>>> Dancer.(1000AH- >>>>> at >>>>>> least it's a monster to me) Since the battery weighs 55 lbs, >> I >>> >>>>> figure it's >>>>>> pretty good ballast, so I've built a high-sided box of epoxy >> >>> and >>>>>> glass-covered plywood, and epoxied that along the centerline >> >>> of >>>> >>>>> the boat >>>>>> just forward of the mast support under the Vberth. The >> battery >>> >>>> is >>>>> a little >>>>>> harder to get to, but it should work a little better than >> the >>> >>>>> stock setup >>>>>> with regards to trim. It'll be harder to check the water in >> >>> it's >>>> >>>>> new >>>>>> location, but it's well secured and should stay in place. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> BG >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Brian Gilbert >>>>>> Marine Media >>>>>> Author, Fix It and Sail >>>>>> (423)876-9990 >>>>>> 3404 Hartford Drive >>>>>> Chattanooga, TN 37415 >>>>>> www.sailingsmall.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
