Two more bits --
   
  My Monty was kept in fresh water for most of it's life, and the rigging was 
functional for years.  Trouble is, it is a 1979 model and that means that it is 
27 years old.  That is a lot of years.  
   
  Cheap insurance -- esp with an upsize to 5/32.  
   
  Good point about the nicropress being better because it is visible.
   
  Most rigging works just fine -- until it fails.  Any way you can anticipate 
and neutralize potential points of failure (like with a toggle jaw), is good. 

  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have to add my two-bits to this rigging dialogue. If boat is kept in fresh 
water the standing rigging should be functional for years. My M-17 is 31 years 
old and I have owned it for 26 years and since that time it is kept in fresh 
water. I replaced some of the standing rigging-- outboard shrouds, back and 
forestay's. The forestay was replaced only because I installed a CDI furler 
that required an open body turnbuckle swaged to the forestay. Upon my 
examination 
they were in excellent condition, Including all of the Nicopress fittings. 
The only reason I replaced them was that "experts" said that that they should 
be 
replaced, automatically, after 10 or 12 years. I still have the original 
inboard shrouds, back stay adjuster and jib halyard and all appear to be in 
excellent condition.

I still have the original main (Olvera) with still some life left. I will, 
however, have a new main for Xmas, if I'm lucky.

I also replaced the main halyard (line and wire rope) and used only one 
Nicopress sleeve.

Although strictly my opinion, I feel much more secure with Nicopress fittings 
rather than swaged fittings. The obvious advantage of Nicopress fittings is 
that any defect is visible. A swaged fiting could corrode and never be seen 
until it gives way. If I had my choice, which I have, I would take a well made 
Nicopress over a Swage any day. With the CDI furler, there was no choice but a 
swaged fitting in the furler itself but contrary to instructions, a Nicopress 
with out a toggle was used at the masthead. Works just fine.

I always use two sleeves and a thimble at each fitting, except on halyard, 
previously mentioned.

I bought the wire rope and all Nicopress fittings ( Sleeves and thimbles) 
from WM and Jerry Montgomery. The Nicopress crimper, 18" with four hole sizes I 
bought from Home Depot in the garage door section. It works perfectly, is well 
made and cost around $35.00, far below the $215..00 or so 18" crimper (called 
Swaging tool but a misnomer) offered by WM. A real Swaging tool is very 
expensive and requires expertise.

So much for that two-bits worth all and have a great sail.

Bill K #55 M-17 Half Monty.

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