To Tim Diebert- Tim, apparently our computers are still not speaking is why I'm using the list, and apologies to all others. Your rigging is done and boxed but I have no address to send it to. If you want, you can call me at 916 372-7695, or send me an email thru the list. I got your post below OK.
Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heavy Weather Jibs > Good stuff. Jim, I had also considered a reefable jib and still might go > that way. Saves one sail change at the very least. > > I agree with you, an 80% in those higher wind conditions would be quite > useful. I can tell you also that in true 30 knots, the stock jib alone > is like a plank on the 17 and have been ....not over powered, but over > canvased (even with no main) depending on point of sail. Because of my > sailing ground, I am either closed hauled a lot (seems like always) of the > time. Going to wind in high 20's is one thing and one setup, a broad reach > in the high 20's is a whole other world. I also have a cruising mind set. My > goal is always to have a relaxing boat, doing it's max speed per conditions > with the least amount of sail. I often sail alone and never over canvas when > given the choice. Even if I am running and comfy with the set, I don't like > to carry any more than I would need if I WAS going to wind. You never know > when that man overboard drill becomes the real deal. If you have every > stitch you own out and are blasting downhill when you need to come around > for whatever reason....that change of sailing in a vacuum to a beat is > pretty radical. > I do use a tiller pilot Jim and this is the one 'luxury' device that makes > it possible for me to turf the roller rig and go back to hank on sails. > Without Otto it would be a little bit tougher. I have found that heaving to > is OK for a reef in the main, but to change a headsail I generally drop the > headsail (downhaul) set up a beam reach and change. Otto holds a beamer > under main alone pretty nice. A broad reach is ok for a heasail change as > well...though I worry about accidental spineroos. > > You know, I have often thought there would be more small boat sailors if not > for the usual practises of the more visable sailing herd...the racers. > Newbies often seem to think that racing is sailing and can't see the joy in > what they see out there. I am sure they are all convinced that if you don't > carry your full main and a masthead spinner in 25 knots you are a pussy. > I can't imagine sailing a boat without a gas pedal. Specially a small boat > like the 17 or 15. Preventable Beer spillage is a sin...accidental Beer > spillage is accepted. > > As for the sail salesperson........no comment. > > Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna. > ----------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James > Poulakis > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: M_Boats: Heavy Weather Jibs > > Thanks for the replies Bert and Tim. > > I haven't found a button or link to reply to a specific thread, hence > the new heading (I'm using Safari if that makes any difference). > > Tim, > You gave me a good feel for what to expect in an M-17 as the winds > build. Although the original choices were a storm jib, a #4, or both, > I'm now considering a reefable 80%. Tim, if you're getting by in 30 > knot winds with the working jib (which is ~ 75 sq ft at ~110%) then it > seems like an 80% (50 sq ft) would be very useful. Although we SF Bay > sailors like to blather on about our 30+ knot winds, the truth is that > it's more often in the low to mid 20's - and typically doesn't build up > to that until 2:00 pm. So from your description it seems like an 80% > would see a lot of use. With the reef points it could still be > shortened down to credible storm jib. Yes, changing the clew on a > reefing jib is a hassle - The technique I've used in the past requires > an autopilot and a temporary sheet with a carabiner - but that's for > another thread. > > Bert, > Sailmakers are a great source of advice and I've talked to a few. > Here's what they indicate for M-17 heavy weather jibs: > > Storm jib: 24 ft^2 (one sailmaker said that an M-17 storm jib was about > 50% J) > 70%: 35 ft^2 > 80%: 50 ft^2 > > The lowest (boatshow) price for a storm jib was $184 for a 7.03oz > dacron sail from Hogin Sails www.hoginsails.com > > As an aside, I was told by a well meaning-representative of Pinapple > Sails that people in 17'ers had no need for storm jibs. According to > her, storm jibs were only for world travelers who needed to claw off > lee shores in 50 knot winds. Small boat sailors NEVER faced these > conditions. Uhh, well... Lemme tell y'all about my first attempt to > round point Lopez in my 27' Albin back in '90... > > Thanks again guys, > > Jim Poulakis > "Spirit" M-17 #648 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date: 4/22/2008 > 3:51 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1393 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 8:12 AM > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
