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PJ,
I'm writing you about this privately because I want to let you know I
appreciate you coming in this late in the game when the mood on the list has so
obviously shifted against what I was trying to do (not fight with Susan and ask
her to behave in a civilized way).
I mean, just for fun, humor me and take a close look at what
Scott really said and did with his official "Friendly Reminder". I quote:
"Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. This
includes
name-calling, innuendo, insults or gossip. (calling someone a "hooked trout" or asking someone to "sheath their claws" fall into the personal attack category)" Please note that he deliberately *edited* Susan's original phrase, which
was to call me "a FUCKING hooked trout." Now, Scott is a smart guy. This no
accident. He consciously neutered her comment to make it sound far
less offense than it really was. In addition, please note that out of all the
text in my original message to Susan, he picked the single "worst-sounding"
phrase and quoted that -- but he edited that as well. Immediately
after my suggestion to "sheath your claws" I wrote the word "Peace" in my
original message. Scott deliberately left that word out of his
official message to make my comment look worse than it was.
That's deceptive manipulation of public opinion on a scale that Donnie
Sullivan never even dreamed of!
But even if grant this manipulation, why did nobody ask "Scott, how
come calling someone a fucking hooked trout is the same thing as suggesting
that someone sheath their claws? Isn't one a personal insult and the other a
suggestion on how to behave in civilized company?"
Do you see my problem here? Scott has just elevated himself to a level of
moderator duplicity that puts him *above* Donnie Sullivan as far as I'm
concerned.
And he did it because he sensed that all the touchy-feely Susan fans would
revolt if he booted her off for violating the rules. He did it for the same
reason Donnie Sullivan stabbed me in the back and booted me off Style B -- to
keep his numbers up and pacify the vocal Susan Brigade.
So let's not kid ourselves... she got away with it, um, scot free. Susan
and the Style Bees are now in the conscious process of converting MOPO into
their own image, and Scott is cooperating with it... encouraging it.
I wish those who try stand against this trend good luck, but I've already
committed hari-kari on MOPO over this. Consider me one toasty, immolated monk as
far as MOPO is concerned. After what I've said the last couple days I'll never
have any credibility on that list again.
Obviously, I did make a terrible mistake. I kept silent when Susan
first attacked me -- I should have defended myself the very first day, but
I didn't think a flame war would be good for the list, so I didn't.
So Susan "won" the moment Scott posted his "Friendly Reminder" and
blamed me as much as her for the "flame-a-thon" -- even though I had said
nothing in reply to her 5 flame messages -- because the rest of the list bought
his prouncement simply because he's the Moderator. So now I end up looking
like the asshole who is trying to keep the debate going simply because I waited
for him to enforce his rules -- and so I was forced to belatedly
defend myself at the end of the sequence, when everyone just wants it to be
over. But I had to refute her lies, PJ -- you and some others knew they
were lies, but there are a lot of new people on MOPO who had no way of
knowing she was lying.
But seriously, Dude, it's too late for... save yourself! You
guys go on without me... I'm done for!
aahggg...hhh (cue death-rattle sound effects...)
-- JR
----- Original Message -----
From: pj angel
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 14:27
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Best Poster Fiend? publicly asking JR to calm
down Frankly, I really enjoy talking or engaging in
friendly debate with you, but it's time to let this go. Susan shouldn't be in
some sort of "cooler" and you shouldn't be reading archives instead of e-mails.
You've only hurt yourselves with these unnecessary
"punishments."
I don't see a long lasting olive branch between
the two of you. But I do see two people that know a lot about movies and posters
and I want both to post and to make others feel welcome. Is that too much to
wish for? Ron
I hope you read that JR. His name isn't
Wis(e)berg for nothing.
Have you had time to calm down and realized why EXACTLY there were no sides
taken publically here between you and Susan? By the time I had my retort ready
to fly Scott came out and quelled any notion of the flame expanding anymore than
it had. Scott said that matters were handled privately and to "move
on", as I think he stated it. I deleted my "contribution" to the skirmish after
that and elected to see what would happen. I didn't think you'd get all
freaky and serious-like threaten to leave the group!
Pretty wise guy, that Moderator of ours. He wasn't going to allow Mo Po to
relive another "low point of Mo Po's existence" as he himself tagged it
a few years ago. Can anyone blame him? Back then I bet his finger was
"on the button" to end the MoPo forum once and for all. It was MoPo's
Bay of Pigs.
Had Scott not stepped in when he did I'm sure there would of been dozens of
public Pro-JR posts of "Gather pitchforks and torches, Mopers!
STORM! STORM THE OLSENSTEIN CASTLE!! KILL THE SHE-BEAST!" with
dozens of equally passionate "Susan For President! JR SHOULD BE
NEUTERED! SLOWLY!" retorts from the other side. Back and forth. Back
and Forth. Until what? We all turned to butter, perhaps?
It would have been entertaining as hell, but got us, as a group, no
where.
So. Susan is back on MoPo. Let's deal with it. Welcome her with open arms.
Hurricane Susan, whose sustained winds and storm surge could flatten
Miami. Prepare for it. Read the warning flags, stock up, and be prepared to
evacuate. Those are the steps you take. You don't leave the country, dude.
Susan is right at home at Style B and NS4GE, especially when she's with the
other "wimmin'" over there. Things can be pretty entertaining (and nasty), for
sure. Over there Susan is like watching DEADWOOD with six-pack and a few
rowdy friends. But when she starts dropping F Bombs on MoPo it doesn't seem
right. It's like watching DEADWOOD with your Mother and Dad in the room. There
are some things you just dont say with parents around. For instance,
"Hey C**ksu**er, Pass the F***ing chips!" would
qualify as something one would not say with a parents in the room, but something
that could accidently slip out while watching DEADWOOD.
Susan can make Al Swearengen blush. If she wants to. She's our
Calamity Jane. That's a compliment, btw. A Point of Pride for her and
for us. And it appears she's trying hard to "be at home" and playing
nice-nice on MoPo, too. I like that.
I'm surprised you haven't recognized the BEST POSTER FIND thread for what
it is: a positive step forward. I'll say that again, this time in bold with
italics, and underlined:
a positive step forward. As ON TOPIC as
MoPo can get. It's why MoPo was invented, for these types of involving threads
between poster collectors. It's an attempt to move on, and QUICKLY, to better
things. And it's working. Who ever started it was/is genius.
So, JR. What do you say? Co-exist with all of us.
You make MoPo a better place.
Disregard those flippant lurkers who have never, and will never, contribute
to MoPo and this hobby like you have.
Man, you're the guy who created and made MPB WORK, for crying out loud! We
all owe you for that. Go read Rich's latest post in your behalf. It was
great. It embarassed somebody, for sure.
You're The Poster Curmudgeon, you know.
So, JR. What do you say? Tell us all about your BEST POSTER
FIND.
pj
Ron Wisberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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- [MOPO] PRIVATE and OFF-LIST Re: [MOPO] Best Poster F... JR
- Re: [MOPO] PRIVATE and OFF-LIST Re: [MOPO] Best... Shelly Whitworth-King
- Re: [MOPO] PRIVATE and OFF-LIST Re: [MOPO] ... Toochis Morin
- Re: [MOPO] PRIVATE and OFF-LIST Re: [MOPO] Best... dsonesheets
- [MOPO] Enough. Scott Burns
