Hi Grey,
Thanks for the response.
My concern was whether there may have been an earlier opportunity for
collectors to have been warned about CFTBL fakes.
Glad to hear that in this instance, Heritage were not in a position to
make an early warning.
I do still think though, that Heritage (and other auction houses)
should have done the right thing, and come clean about the fakes.
(And still should for that matter.)
I can understand any natural inclination to do the right thing being
outweighed by the need to protect the company's public image.
But, I think being seen to do the right thing would have been the
smarter business decision.
Cheers,
Richard
On 11 Oct 2009, at 23:26, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote:
Rich,
No, no one has been reimbursed for a forged Creature one sheet. Two
were sold by Heritage after November of '07. I am not sure any of us
know exactly when the beginnings of repros began but my belief is
early to mid 2008, though I am sure opinions will vary. But the two
copies of the Creature one sheets I did sell since that date were
unbacked and unrestored in any way, and in near mint condition. I do
have a copy in the upcoming sale and know it to be original as had a
3-D logo on it and it was removed before the backing. Had I known
the poster had been faked probably would have left in the original
condition with the large printed snipe.
See results below.
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7003&Lot_No=86534
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=694&Lot_No=29422
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From: Richard Evans [mailto:evan...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:01 PM
To: Smith, Grey - 1367
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
I am very certain that no individual has in their possession a
forged poster that came from Heritage.
Grey, did you have cause to privately reimburse any buyers of Creature
from the Black Lagoon 1 shts?
If not, have you checked any bought from Heritage prior to your
knowledge of the fakes?
(Or for that matter, other perhaps as yet unknown 1 sheet fakes.)
Obviously, if a Black Cat 1 sheet can be scanned and reproduced,
almost anything else is a far easier task.
Without knowing how many of that rare example have been doing the
rounds in the last fews years, I imagine finding one to scan must be
incredibly challenging compared to any pieces of lesser rarity and
value.
And, while worth less, far more lesser value fakes can reach the
market before there's any suspicion of the numbers.
We can, I hope, look forward to an entertaining, (if not illuminating)
response.
Richard
PS: Thought I'd start a CFTBL thread on NSFGE. Easier for posting
pics, and besides things have a tendency to go a bit quiet on here.
On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:25, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote:
Sean and all MOPOers
I am very certain that no individual has in their possession a
forged poster that came from Heritage. As a matter of fact, I did
first discover the fact of these fakes when an attempt was made to
consign a "forged" Dracula title card from a respected horror
collector and I promptly not only called the consignor but began
speaking with horror buyers throughout the country that I know, to
let them know what was found. I certainly know Sean and Jim Gresham
will attest to that. I know that Jim G. then sent me cards to look
over, in which my belief was, they were forgeries.
I believe I was the first to suggest to certain collectors in
Columbus that the Frankenstein Title card in another auction may not
be authentic, though I had not seen it, but knowing that some cards
were showing up that were forged.
I have sent clients to John Davis as he began to look into this and
I thought he was doing a good job, I believe, in verifying the cards.
Do I wish I had thrown up a red flare to the hobby earlier? Perhaps,
but the extent of this was not known nor was there much on who may
have been behind it. I think it was when Jim G. sent me his cards
that some of us were very surprised. No, I was not sworn to secrecy,
as some claim, but have worked to warn and help collectors with
questions concerning these since first discovering.
This is a warning to us to look closely in the future. A grading
and perhaps authentification service would be of help but I believe
up to this time the fakes are not difficult to detect. Please be
assured that Heritage is perhaps overly cautious at this stage in
dealing primarily with horror and a few examples of science fiction
titles.
Grey
On Oct 7, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "Sean Linkenback"
<slinkenb...@comcast.net<mailto:slinkenb...@comcast.net>> wrote:
Hi Bruce,
While I am a little busy today, if you have a list of all these
items Heritage sold that were fake, I will be happy to comb through
the archives for you.
I believe that the 3-sheet of Ghost of Frankenstein mentioned in the
complaint by Jim Gresham was from Heritage, and I see it has been
removed from their archives.
I also know Heritage's policy is to not report any sales which fell
through, and while I would imagine this would include the
inadvertent selling of fakes perhaps you should address this
question to Grey Smith rather than me, as I am still not on their
(or anyone else's) payroll.
Sean
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To: Sean Linkenback<mailto:slinkenb...@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
I went to the LAMP site and of course you are correct, and I
apologize for the error, to LAMP and anyone else who was offended by
it.
I think I was thinking of LAMP not appearing to have anything on
their site about the Dracula fake being "authenticated" and then
withdrawn, or is there a link to that as well?
Sean, since you seem to be an expert on this, can you tell me if the
Hertiage archives on their site still includes items that proved to
be fake, and if so, why? Doesn't this distort the apparent rarity of
those items?
Bruce
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