The question really becomes, then, if no individual has a forged poster that came out of the auctions, what has become of them? Are they back in the hands of the consigner? Of the mastermind who put them together in the first place? In the hands of competent authorities? One of the most scarred victims of the fake Universal pieces said last night on this forum that Heritage has made good on the bogus material that was sold (as well as Profiles). This really is to th credit of both Heritage and Profiles. I again express my hope (and I think others) that some kind of a comprehensive "master list" could be made of the bogus horror material of what was sold, by whom, when it was discovered as bogus and how restitution was made. Finally (and mayb the most important question) Where are they now? I would hate to think that they are....." Coming soon, to an auction near you". Again, I am not denegrating any auction house or individual dealer or collector by asking this. I have but a smattering of classic horror material myself. All of the uncertanties in this market at this time are making me very wary of adding to what I currently have. I don't feel as though I have the ability to positively identify a fake since they apparently are so well done. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Hershenson To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate?
"I am very certain that no individual has in their possession a forged poster that came from Heritage." It is really, really good, almost on a par with "in having a 20% buyers premium, we let the buyer and seller share the expense of selling an item, instead of having one or the other bear all the burden" (or words to that effect). There is an incredible art in being a politician, and I too see a great new career should this current gig not work out for any reason. If a politician says "I am flat-out against abortion" (or insert any other important issue), he/she alienates around half the electorate. The same happens if he/she says "I am flat-out for abortion". But let the politician straddle the fence and say, "One must consider all sides of this important issue and realise there are many valuable points on both sides" then he/she alienates no one. And let's not forget there's a sucker born every minute, and there will always be another one coming down the pike to buy that rare collectible "investment" at an ever-higher price. Bruce On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Richard Evans <evan...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Grey, I'd like to compliment you on yet another example of the exemplary quality of your writing. As the area becomes ever narrower you continue to navigate it with remarkable precision. Should you ever tire of movie posters, I'm sure an extremely successful career in politics awaits you. I am very certain that no individual has in their possession a forged poster that came from Heritage. Brilliant! I can honestly say I received excellent service from Heritage, and found you extremely professional and personable. But, while mistakes are understandable and forgivable, I feel by continuing to take this position, Heritage and other auction houses are doing themselves a disservice. That said, it's a hoot to read. On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:25, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: Sean and all MOPOers I am very certain that no individual has in their possession a forged poster that came from Heritage. As a matter of fact, I did first discover the fact of these fakes when an attempt was made to consign a "forged" Dracula title card from a respected horror collector and I promptly not only called the consignor but began speaking with horror buyers throughout the country that I know, to let them know what was found. I certainly know Sean and Jim Gresham will attest to that. I know that Jim G. then sent me cards to look over, in which my belief was, they were forgeries. I believe I was the first to suggest to certain collectors in Columbus that the Frankenstein Title card in another auction may not be authentic, though I had not seen it, but knowing that some cards were showing up that were forged. I have sent clients to John Davis as he began to look into this and I thought he was doing a good job, I believe, in verifying the cards. Do I wish I had thrown up a red flare to the hobby earlier? Perhaps, but the extent of this was not known nor was there much on who may have been behind it. I think it was when Jim G. sent me his cards that some of us were very surprised. No, I was not sworn to secrecy, as some claim, but have worked to warn and help collectors with questions concerning these since first discovering. This is a warning to us to look closely in the future. A grading and perhaps authentification service would be of help but I believe up to this time the fakes are not difficult to detect. Please be assured that Heritage is perhaps overly cautious at this stage in dealing primarily with horror and a few examples of science fiction titles. Grey On Oct 7, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "Sean Linkenback" <slinkenb...@comcast.net<mailto:slinkenb...@comcast.net>> wrote: Hi Bruce, While I am a little busy today, if you have a list of all these items Heritage sold that were fake, I will be happy to comb through the archives for you. I believe that the 3-sheet of Ghost of Frankenstein mentioned in the complaint by Jim Gresham was from Heritage, and I see it has been removed from their archives. I also know Heritage's policy is to not report any sales which fell through, and while I would imagine this would include the inadvertent selling of fakes perhaps you should address this question to Grey Smith rather than me, as I am still not on their (or anyone else's) payroll. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Hershenson<mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.com> To: Sean Linkenback<mailto:slinkenb...@comcast.net> Cc: <mailto:MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu> MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu<mailto:MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Where to send Universal material to authenticate? I went to the LAMP site and of course you are correct, and I apologize for the error, to LAMP and anyone else who was offended by it. I think I was thinking of LAMP not appearing to have anything on their site about the Dracula fake being "authenticated" and then withdrawn, or is there a link to that as well? Sean, since you seem to be an expert on this, can you tell me if the Hertiage archives on their site still includes items that proved to be fake, and if so, why? Doesn't this distort the apparent rarity of those items? 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