I agree with David that the Star Wars posters may well have been printed "after hours" from the original plates.
But I have never seen a single minty white insert or lobby card that appears to have been printed this way. All the ones I have seen was clearly copied from an original, resulting in a loss of print quality. Show me one insert on the weird paper stock that was only used for minty whites that has print quality that matches the original. Send it to me, and I will run great images of it in my club. Bruce On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:53 AM, David Lieberman <dli...@aol.com> wrote: > I repeat: > > *they were printed several years after the films were originally released. > * > > for some of the titles they used the same "plates".........if they were > available. Some were, some weren't. > > some of them were made using the same printing "elements"..........so they > are sort of restrikes....... > > so whether you want to call them restrikes, sort of restrikes, reprints, > repros...........whatever.........it isn't really that important........what > is important is that they are NOT original. > > > it is totally plausible that the bad guys bought a few thousand of each for > just pennies a piece directly from the source 20+ years ago......and that > they still have plenty of them left. > > A few months ago I personally acquired 600 of the FAKE star wars style c > one sheets (which I gave one away for free to anyone who wanted one a few > months ago...permanently marked as FAKE).....and my source still has another > roll of 300 in her closet. So my point is that these fakes were produced in > MASS quantities and it is totally plausible that the bad guys still have > stacks of them even after all these years. > > I do not think they are still printing the inserts..........but that is > just my opinion......and anything is possible........they could possibly > still be making them, but I would be very surprised if they were. > > > as for the minty white lobby card sets.......its probably a similar kind of > story except that it is a little more plausible (in my opinion) that they > are still printing them....... > > > *David Lieberman* > CineMasterpieces.com <http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/> | 15721 N. > Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 > *Vintage Original Movie Posters* | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By > Appt. Only. > > > In a message dated 10/12/2009 10:28:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, > jrl...@mediabearonline.com writes: > > David, > > You could be right about an employee of the print shop doing restrikes > after hours using the same press, plates and paper as the genuine strikes. > But, in that case, they aren't really "fakes" at all, are they? Since they > are 100% identical to those inserts which were printed by the same employee > during regular business hours? What makes them fake -- the fact that they > were printed after hours but nothing else? No, that doesn't float. If > there's no way to identify a difference between with a microscope or > chemical paper analysis, then it's not viable to say "well this one was > printed after hours and so it is a fake even though it is 100% physically > identical to this original one over here, which was printed 6 hours earlier > during regular business hours." > > Now if there is a subtle difference in image size or area, a slight > difference of text placement, etc., then you've got something to work with. > But why would a restrike from a genuine original plate have a different > image size or text position? It wouldn't. The only way that would happen is > if someone used a genuine original poster for their artwork in the > plate-making process and had to zoom and crop it a tiny bit to make it work > (or were just sloppy and didn't notice they had cropped the artwork a tiny > bit). So restrikes don't work for me as an explanation if there is a > difference in image size, area, text placement or "fuzziness" of printing. > With a restrike from original plates you would have none of that. > > The big thing that made people start wondering about the Mintys was the > fact that certain specific sellers seemed to have a unlimited supply of > inserts for certain titles -- and the use of inserts was fading away at the > time these films were released and fewer inserts were being officially > printed than in earlier decades. So, having an unlimited supply to sell is a > big red flag (thus their "warehouse find" cover story). But unlimited supply > doesn't fit in with your employee-after-hours-restrikes theory because > surely the guy doesn't still work for that 1970's or 1980's print shop and > surely the plates are still not available to him, much less the original > type of paper? > > How come they haven't run out of the restrikes? What, this after-hours guy > printed up thousands of these restrikes for this very odd variety of titles > back in the late 70s and early 80s and then held onto them all these years > waiting for EBay to be invented so he could dump them on the market? Doesn't > compute. The "warehouse find" explanation actually seems more likely to me > than that, and I don't buy the warehouse find explanation. > > If they were restrikes made 20- to 30- odd years ago, surely the original > restrike print run would have been exhausted by now? > > This leads me to suspect that most of the Mintys, if not all, were not > restrikes from original plates but just very good quality printing plates > made using genuine original posters as the artwork for the plate making > process -- and I suspect new inventory is still being printed (or could be > printed). > > -- JR > > David Lieberman wrote: > > how many times do we have to discuss this same topic? ;) > > > The "minty white" inserts were printed in the mid to late 1980's. They are > "unauthorized" restrikes. They were most likely done "after hours" at the > same place the originals were printed years before (at one of the nss > printing facilities).....that is why the quality is just as good as the > originals.........that is why they fooled so many people......and that is > why they still fool people today. Some are virtually identical with the same > art cropping etc., and some have the artwork slightly cropped. > > The list of titles is on our website.....some of these fake inserts > include: a clockwork orange -X rated, jaws, star wars, esb, rotj, scarface, > blade runner, manhattan. > > There were also several unauthorized restrike one sheets printed around the > same time. They probably came from the same source as the minty white > inserts (at least that's *my* humble opinion!). The manhattan style b 1sh, > fast times 1sh, rocky horror 1sh, star wars a,b,c one sheets.....as well > as several others. > > > We have done several comparisons side by side and have close ups of some of > them (not all) on our site. They aren't all in one place though on the > website. Some of them (like scarface and manhattan) we haven't done only > because we haven't had a fake one and a real one in stock at the same time > so we could compare them side by side. > > Anybody who thinks the minty white inserts are "real".....is flat > out wrong. > > > > > > *David Lieberman** > *CineMasterpieces.com <http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/> | 15721 N. > Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 > *Vintage Original Movie Posters** | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By > Appt. 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