Rich, David, Tom,
Thanks for the additional info. This just goes to show this issue that
will be haunting the hobby going forward. There was a time when, if you
avoided a couple of specific ebay sellers, you likely would not be
getting a minty white. But now that hundreds (thousands?) of the mintys
have been sold to unknowing collectors for the past 20 years or so, we
will be seeing "aged" mintys coming to market from regular collectors as
they decide to sell off parts of their collections. It will be an
ongoing headache.
The more high-resolution photos comparing the differences in the art
cropping and other tell-tales that can be put up on multiple websites,
the better.
-- JR
Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:
JR
I just got in a collection to be auctioned next month and as I was
going through it I came to a Balderunner insert
as soon as I picked it up, I said "oh man.. minty white!" because it
was very obvious to me..
I checked Dave L's site and sure enough he had a real one & a fake
comparison.. It was indeed minty white
then as I continued I came across a Return of the Jedi B style insert
and I said "oh man.. minty white!"
checked Dave's site.. he didn't have a fake, but he had a real one..
and I saw the differences that made this copy minty fresh
then I found a Star Wars insert and I said "Jes-us Christ.. minty white!"
Dave had a real one next to a fake and it was a minty fresh repro
Then as I continued I found a Raiders of the Lost Ark 1982R insert and
I said "God ferqin dammit.. another Minty White!"
unfortunately Dave did not have a comparison, and I'm waiting to
receive something in the mail from a friend and some info from Bruce
so I don't know if this one is minty.. it may not be as it looks of a
much better quality.
In other words, they are obvious enough that if you handle enough
paper you can tell that something is amiss as soon as you handle them.
but if you don't handle enough paper, you can probably be fooled
some things are easy to see - if you know what you're looking for
interestingly, the Star Wars 1/2 sheet, Jedi hs, Raiders hs, ESB half
sheet in the collection are all real ones, so the previous owner of
the collection was hit and miss on his buying, but probably bought all
four inserts from the same seller on fleaBay as was common years ago.
Of course I'll be shooting photos for my private comparisons page so
that I won't have to look for Dave's page again and I can say that
even though these are older now, they are still really minty items
and I suspect that unless they were stored in poor conditions, other
copies will retain this to some degree.
One more reason why you should always buy such posters from
knowledgeable auctioneers like Grey, Bruce, Sean, Profiles and Myself
(and yes David too) who stand by the authenticity of items that we
sell and also try to root out these fakes before they get back into
the market preventing more problems for buyers downstream
Rich
At 11:20 AM 12/13/2009, James Richard wrote:
David,
I've never actually owned or seen a minty white myself, so I have no
first hand information to go by.
Am I correct in thinking that most of the minty whites did not have
an actual printing variation that allows them to be identified like
the Godfather does? For those which do not have a printing variation,
it seems that, as you say, they are now aging and no longer have that
new car "minty white" smell, making them virtually impossible to
distinguish from an excellent condition authentic insert. I've heard
they were printed on slightly different paper, just a tiny bit
thinner, but is the paper thickness going to be enough for most
people to be able to continue to identify them as they continue to age?
-- JR
David Lieberman wrote:
We did a comparison and took photos a few years ago, they are on our
website. You can see that the black ink in the corners where the
lines meet on the original is not perfect, while they fixed it for
the repro.
I've been saying for awhile now, the "minty whites" are aging and
are no longer always "minty white".
They've been around now for over 20 years.
http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/godinscomp2.jpg
http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/godinscomp1.jpg
And..... just to confuse things.......Todd Feiertag sent us some
REAL Empire Strikes Back GWTW inserts that were actually newer and
whiter looking than the minty white fake we have.
be careful out there.
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