Re: [MOPO] Fake 3D

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:29:29 -0800

I'm a purist where colorization is concerned. For me, colorization is taking the imagery too far from the original source. When making a film, to get a specific effect or visual impact, you have to use very different lighting and camera techniques when shooting in color versus black and white (shades of gray, actually). So, by forcing imagery that was originally visualized and shot in black and white into a color space, you change far too much of what the original cinematographer and director intended when they created the film.
Witness a movie like MANHATTAN, deliberately filmed in black and white when by all rights it should have been filmed in color. But it would simply not be the same film in color. Nor is RED RIVER the same film after colorization, no matter how beautifully done. It's not just about the presence of color, it's about how color changes the way the imagery works on screen and affects the viewer. 


You see this difference even in films that "had to be filmed in color" 
like BATMAN BEGINS. Yes, it is shot in color, but it is deliberately lit 
so darkly and with the sets and costumes deliberately toned down in 
their colors and textures to simulate the psychological/emotional effect 
of a black and white film.



Not that I want most films to go back to being filmed in black and 
white. I just feel that films originally shot in black and white should 
remain that way. If, as some claim, "younger" viewers can't watch them 
because they are not in color, that's their problem (and their loss). 
But I personally have yet to find a "younger viewer" who refused to 
watch a good film because it was in black and white, or failed to 
appreciate it for what it was.



If someone want to actually re-make (re-film) RED RIVER as a new movie 
in color and 3D, that's a different story and I wish them luck and will 
be happy to check out what they come up with -- but changing the 
original? No, that's not something that should be done.


-- JR

wise1...@aol.com wrote:

I just streamed a beautiful colorized Red River on netflix. looks just 
like IB Tech.

Can't wait to one day stream the color 3D version!


It may be a fad but this time it looks like the industry is more 
behind it.

Especially for games.
3D TVs are here and of course will come down in price.
MH

On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:30 AM, James Richard wrote:


I can imagine there are daily meetings in Hollywood discussing which 
films to convert to fake 3D and re-release to make some quick bucks. 
Inevitably they will do a lot of this -- not that many films will 
benefit much from it and so it will probably be a fad that only last 
for a few years. Unless they make true "home theater 3d" affordable 
very quickly. If that happens, then watch for virtually every halfway 
popular movie from the last 20 years being issued in a 3D bluray edition.



Perhaps more noticeable, I'm thinking virtually every movie now in 
production (or about ready to be released) will be hurriedly 
converted to fake-3D as ALICE IN WONDERLAND was, and marketed as "the 
ultimate 3D experience".  This will last about 2 years, until all 
major feature productions switch over to concepting and filming in 
real 3D.



So it's likely the next couple years will be a dust-up of lots of 3D 
hype coupled with a lot of disappointment -- pretty much like what 
happened every time they've pushed 3D in the past. But, this time I 
think the long-term results will be different, with true 3D 
production -- concepted from story board to final edit -- emerging as 
the default format for all films with any kind of real budget.


-- JR

Roland Lataille wrote:

A number of films will be converted to 3-D and re-released.


http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2010/03/legend-3d-founder-barry-sandrew-phd.html 



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*From:* Andy Neal <andyan...@hotmail.com>
*To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
*Sent:* Tue, March 9, 2010 9:02:03 AM
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] I saw Alice in Wonderland last night

And as if by magic....

http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-culture/george-lucas-seriously-considering-star-wars-in-3d-20100120/

Someone got there before me with the idea, blast!

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From: andyan...@hotmail.com
To: mopo-l@listserv.american.edu
Subject: RE: [MOPO] I saw Alice in Wonderland last night
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:56:17 +0000


I'm a big fan of IMAX/3D to be honest. It's all about the experience 
and feeling part of the movie. Avatar was absolutely amazing in 3D, 
In parts I almost felt I was in a video game. Theres only certain 
types of film which are good for 3D, Avatar being one of them. Alice 
in Wonderland wasn't that great for the 3D experince but still 
enjoyed the film. I certainly wouldn't watch It's a wondeful Life in 
3D but would love to see Star Wars on IMAX for the experience alone. 
It's not for everyone though, apreciate that, some people even get 
motion sickness. Whatever floats your boat I say.



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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 05:34:05 -0800
From: roland.latai...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [MOPO] I saw Alice in Wonderland last night
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU


Don't waste your money on Imax. No feature movies are filmed in 
Imax. You are just seeing a blown up version of a movie filmed in 
35mm or digital. In fact if you saw Avatar (filmed with digital 
cameras) on a real large Imax screen (not the small fake Imax 
screen), it was window boxed with blank lines on all four sides of 
the screen. Imax is getting to be a joke just like the old 70mm 
Cinerama - not real 3-strip Cinerama.


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*From:* Franc <fdav...@verizon.net>
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*Sent:* Tue, March 9, 2010 8:02:35 AM
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] I saw Alice in Wonderland last night

Did you see the IMAX 3D version or the regular 3-D version? FRANC

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    Behalf Of *Bruce Hershenson
    *Sent:* Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:59 AM
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    *Subject:* [MOPO] I saw Alice in Wonderland last night

    I saw Alice in Wonderland last night. It wasn't as good as some
    people had told me, but it wasn't nearly as bad as some other
    people had suggested (another way of saying it was that it was
    no Edward Scissorhands, but it was also no Planet of the Apes).

    I am a huge fan of Johnny Depp, and yet I thought he was the
    least interesting part of the movie (although I was not as
    disappointed by him in this as I was by his performance in
    Charlie and the Chocolate Factory). The weird thing they did
    with his eyes was distracting, and since you express a lot of
    emotion with your eyes, it hurt that way too.

    I thought the lead actress was quite good. If they wanted to
    make "The Gwynneth Paltrow Story", she would make an excellent
    choice to play the lead.

    Bruce
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