Adding to what Richard and Grey have said: there is the issue of the money and the issue of the irreplaceability of certain items. With registered mail, you not only get solid insurance but also the internal locked-down handling and tracking that the post office provides. Registered mail items go under lock and key and each handler must sign for each piece they process before passing it on down the line. In my entire career, only one piece of registered mail (it was insured) did not show up. It was coming from Los Angeles to Austin ---- and ended up after tracing/tracking it -- in Mexico. It finally got delivered here safe and sound, and with no need to file the insurance claim. In this case I was especially concerned because it was poster that belonged to a client and it could not be replaced. I don't know if it was the only one, but I had nowhere to go to find a replacement. It is cold comfort to a collector who wants the poster, NOT the five or ten or fifteen or whatever thousand dollars the poster costs. That irreplaceability is something that insurance cannot fix.
Kirby On Dec 12, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote: > Grey is right about Registered Mail > people don't realize that every person at the post office that handles a > Registered Mail item must sign a form so that every person in the chain can > be identified if there is a loss and that any overnight stay it makes at any > location, it is either in a vault or a locked cage that only one person at > the post office can access > > it's the single way that items over $50,000 can be shipped for financial > security without having a specific insurance rider above that level in any > policy > > > At 03:23 PM 12/12/2011, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: >> Exactly, Kirby, third party insurance is the only way when using FedEx. >> They have a real self serving deal going by offering insurance on items they >> will NOT insure and selling it all the time to the unsuspecting. >> I understand Sean made them see it differently on at least one occasion, if >> I heard correctly, and think that's great. >> How many thousands of people will not protest once the diamond ring is lost >> and they have insured it with FedEx thinking all is well? >> USPO offers Registered mail which is a very secure method as far as I'm >> concerned. It just takes the snail mail time frame, but you can insure up to >> hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirby >> McDaniel >> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:11 PM >> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron >> >> Absolutely. You have explained it better than I have. >> >> I have never been able to discern WHY they have this policy --- and NO ONE >> at Fed Ex -- and I have talked >> to some folks very high up the food chain -- has been able to explain it to >> me. >> >> Why they care what it is you are sending (as far as valuation goes) is >> beyond me. The fee for upper levels of declared value >> act just like an insurance premium from what I can see. So why it makes a >> difference what is being shipped -- I'm not smart >> enough to figure that out. >> >> I think they fear the inside job. >> >> One can get good third party insurance for Fed EX shipments, and policy >> holders with Collectibles Insurance can >> insure through them - it comes with the policy. >> >> Kirby >> >> >> On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Sean Linkenback wrote: >> >> > You nailed it with FedEx Kirby. >> > If you file a claim with them, they are very quick to point out that they >> > do not offer "insurance" at all (and they point to their service manual, >> > which they never give you a copy of or have available to back them up). >> > >> > They simply have a "declared value" section where they charge you an >> > additional fee to transport packages that are worth more than $100.00 >> > >> > Of course this doesn't stop their clerks from asking if you would like to >> > purchase "insurance" for your package. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Kirby McDaniel [mailto:ki...@movieart.net] >> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 05:29 PM >> > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron >> > >> > David, et al >> > If a small tax were levied on email and text messages -- and it wouldn't >> > have to be very large either - the revenues >> > could be used to support snail mail 6 days a week for everybody. And it >> > would help to control spam and frivolous email >> > as well. >> > >> > >> > When J Crew, L.L. Bean, Williams-Sonoma, Lands End and all these other >> > good folks have to hand off that catalog >> > delivery business to UPS, then we'll hear a caterwauling for sure. >> > >> > >> > Personally, I really dislike UPS. Here in Austin they simply will leave a >> > 12 thousand dollar package on your porch whether >> > a signature is required or not. Either they just don't care or their >> > drivers are intentionally ignoring it. >> > >> > >> > FED EX is, of course, quite good where speed is necessary. But the >> > insurance things with them is not applicable to film posters. I've posted >> > about this in the past. If you "insure" a film poster with FED EX and it >> > gets lost, they are not required to pay you. Because works of art, >> > collectibles, jewelry and furs are distinctly excepted from liability in >> > their service manual. >> > >> > >> > Kirby >> > www.movieart.net >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, David Kusumoto wrote: >> > >> > I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right fiscally - >> > yet I agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and others have said >> > about how critical it is to preserve our beleaguered USPS. Free markets >> > cannot apply to a service that by law, goes EVERYWHERE. Most people don't >> > know the post office gets its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of >> > postage, NOT tax dollars. If the post office raised its first class rate >> > for a one-ounce letter to $1, I would still pay it. The idea that >> > strangers in USPS uniforms will carry a letter for you for less than 50 >> > cents - and deliver it to a rural location with a high degree of >> > reliability - is amazing to me. >> > >> > I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," slogan long >> > associated with the USPS. That's what the USPS is all about. I've been all >> > over the world and in terms of reliability of delivery, we've got one of >> > the best postal systems anywhere. This is corny but what Franc wrote about >> > the USPS as part of our nation's heritage rings true for me. I try my best >> > to greet my postal carrier every day. Just last week, in the black of >> > night, a different carrier, a younger woman, came to my door carrying a >> > large box on her shoulder. She had one of those those beamed LED lights >> > attached to the front of her cap so she wouldn't fall. She was late but >> > determined to get through that day's deliveries that had turned quickly >> > into night. I assessed her situation in a few seconds and was in awe. And >> > the next day she no doubt went through the same thing all over again, >> > elsewhere. >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:31:22 -0800 >> > From:sa...@comic-art.com >> > Subject: Re: Another fleabay Moron >> > To:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >> > >> > Kirby is so right about this: >> > >> > >> > At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote: >> > >> > * Don't get me started on this. The postal services are NOT a business. >> > They were never intended to be a business. 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