> >well I made the mistake and watched it.... same responce..took me back to when I 1st saw it.. damn that score and film is sopowerful.. what a well crafted story,,, I had forgot why he edited the scenes. gotta go...im remembering again >---- Original Message ---- >From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com >To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:30:03 -0500 > >>The kisses in Cinema Paradiso are almost unfair. Who could defend >against that emotion? It is like fighting against Mike Tyson jn his >prime, with Cus D'mato managing him, there was simply no >defense...you were going down. >> >>Regards, >> >>Doug Taylor >> >> >>Sent via mobile device >>________________________________ >>From: Bruce Hershenson<mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.com> >>Sent: ?3/?2/?2013 7:52 PM >>To: Douglas B Taylor<mailto:douglasbtay...@hotmail.com> >>Cc: >MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu<mailto:MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu> >>Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >> >>That's interesting, Doug. My oldest son is a very unemotional >person, but >>he loves Cinema Paradiso (as I do) and I watched it again with him >and he >>too cried at the kissing scene, and I can't remember the last time >he cried >>about anything. >> >>What a wonderful movie (whether or not it won Oscars!). >> >> >>On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Douglas B Taylor ><douglasbtay...@hotmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Doug Taylor >>> >>> >>> Sent via mobile device >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: Douglas B Taylor <douglasbtay...@hotmail.com> >>> Sent: 3/2/2013 7:27 PM >>> To: dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com >>> >>> Subject: RE: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >>> >>> Well, here I go with another tangent, but since you bright up >Cinema >>> Paradiso... >>> >>> My all time favorite films are (for me) "the four >C's"...Casablanca, >>> Citizen Kane, City Lights and Cinema Paradiso. >>> >>> I will never forget seeing Cinema Paradiso in Washington DC, at >the AFI. >>> It was a couple years after the release and I hadn't seen it since >the >>> original run so I jumped at the chance to see the AFI screening. >>> >>> I sat next to my wife (at the time) and, about 15 minutes before >the end >>> of the movie, I began sobbing like a baby. I had just remembered >that the >>> scene withe the kisses was coming up and it shattered me. What a >>> wonderful, wonderful moment in film. I honestly don't know if >there is a >>> better moment in film then the kissing reel in Cinema Paradiso. >Probably >>> many equal, but maybe none better. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Doug Taylor >>> >>> >>> Sent via mobile device >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: Tom Martin <dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com> >>> Sent: 3/2/2013 6:46 PM >>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >>> >>> > I think we should be talking about Bad directosrs Toochis as >it >>> seems like most out there are pretty goodover the bad ones..LOL. >>> I gree wyler and wilderare great... maybe we should all make lists >>> but I would be here all day on how many i liked there films.. >Cinema >>> paradisio was great and i forget the directors name but hes good.. >>> > >>> > >>> >---- Original Message ---- >>> >From: fly...@pacbell.net >>> >To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> >Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>> >Hollywood. >>> >Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:30:00 -0800 >>> > >>> >>Hi David >>> >> >>> >>Great post! I would also like to add to Billy Wilder WILLIAM >WYLER. >>> >What a career and so much variety! BEN HUR is amazing as is >ROMAN >>> >HOLIDAY and THE COLLECTOR and so many more. >>> >> >>> >>They are remaking BEN HUR. >>> >> >>> >>Toochis >>> >> >>> >>Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>On Mar 2, 2013, at 1:31 PM, David Kusumoto >>> ><davidmkusum...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> * Wow! A lot of well-written posts on this thread. >>> >>> >>> >>> * I was talking to my wife about "Lincoln" last night and she >>> >pointedly reminded me that some of her friends thought "Lincoln" >was >>> >dull-dull-dull - and I was forced to confess that my intense >interest >>> >in "Lincoln" was related to my background in intl. political >science >>> >and journalism. No, she insists, not everyone will like >"Lincoln" >>> >because it's a talky picture lacking a strong emotional pull for >>> >general audiences. It has no action scenes except during its >very >>> >flawed beginning. Hence many viewers, she said, will strongly >>> >disagree with my view that it's a "classic." Well, it was >>> >emotionally engaging to me even though I concede that what you >bring >>> >to the table matters and I'm clearly biased. And Doug rightly >says, >>> >"to each his own." >>> >>> >>> >>> * Meanwhile, I think Phil's comment about "Shakespeare in >Love" >>> >winning Best Picture (1998) - as being equivalent to "Argo's" win >>> >over "Lincoln" - is funny because I thought the same, but I >wasn't >>> >going to go "there" because since 1998, I have been defending >>> >"Private Ryan" to a large group of mostly international movie >fans >>> >who continue to hate this film with a passion because of its >>> >American-centric story-line and its "teary and manipulative" >bookends >>> >- despite "Ryan's" cinematic breakthroughs, i.e., the spectacular >>> >staging of the brutal D-Day landing on Omaha Beach, the slower >>> >shutter speeds of the battle scenes and the desaturated colors of >the >>> >entire picture. I don't think "Argo's" win was the same kind of >>> >"robbery" nor will generate the hue and cry that "Shakespeare in >>> >Love" did when Weinstein campaigned heavily to snare the Best >Picture >>> >award from "Ryan," the latter a film that critics in both the >U.K. >>> >and the U.S. asserted - at the time - represented a milestone in >the >>> >art of film. >>> >>> >>> >>> * As far as Spielberg himself - Adrian and I have had a >friendly >>> >debate going on about him for more than 12 years I think. We're >>> >never going to change each other's minds and I agree Spielberg >has a >>> >tendency to over-sentimentalize his pictures and to manipulate >his >>> >audiences with his brand of storytelling. But while I concede >that >>> >he is not a perfect director and has turned out a large share of >>> >duds, I will also argue that Spielberg has enough sterling >>> >accomplishments on his resume, more than 1 or 2 films I would >argue - >>> >to earn a glorified place in the history of cinema. The fact >that I >>> >even have to defend the man after more than 40 years is a >testament >>> >to the polarizing figure he remains to movie fans - and to people >>> >working in the industry. No, he is not Martin Scorsese (but have >you >>> >seen the quality of Scorsese's output lately?) - but Spielberg is >>> >still, despite his faults, constitutionally incapable of turning >out >>> >a technically inept film. It was Orson Welles who told Peter >>> >Bogdanovich that you don't need a lot of masterpieces to be >canonized >>> >in film history, that "you only need one." And yet "Citizen >Kane" >>> >clearly isn't for anyone nor does it tug at everyone's heart >strings. >>> > Spielberg's body of work, in my view, has surpassed a lot of >other >>> >directors by a country mile. >>> >>> >>> >>> * Finally, there's a third "still living" director who is an >>> >all-time fave of mine - who I forgot to mention - who I feel has >been >>> >treated MORE EGREGIOUSLY than Spielberg. And that's Brit >director >>> >Ridley Scott. Yes, he's churned out a few duds, but so has every >>> >legendary director like Billy Wilder. Ridley Scott has had a >>> >wonderful career spanning multiple genres! He's the "old man" of >>> >group and still Oscar eludes him. Any man, like Spielberg, who >can >>> >produce even 2-3 "greats" amid a long list of duds - can be >forgiven, >>> >in my book, for those duds. And Scott is a dynamic director who >is >>> >LONG OVERDUE. Yes, the Oscars are frivolous and "irrelevant," >but if >>> >you win one, it's always in the first line in EVERY obituary you >read >>> >about the passing of someone in the industry. -d. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com >>> >>> To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> >>> Subject: RE: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>> >Hollywood. >>> >>> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 00:55:34 -0500 >>> >>> >>> >>> David, >>> >>> >>> >>> I always enjoy your comments and posts. >>> >>> >>> >>> I dont think it was a great year for films, although it seems >we >>> >rarely have great years anymore, consequently our standards may >have >>> >dropped a bit. Having said that, the film quality this year may >have >>> >actually been above the recent average. >>> >>> >>> >>> Certainly it was a magnificent year for individual >performances. >>> >Wow, what choices! It was impossible to pick best actor or >actress >>> >because there were so many deserving nominees. >>> >>> >>> >>> For Director, I happen to think Ang Lee was the correct >choice. >>> >What a vision he had to have to make that film. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regarding Silver Linings, it reminded me of Goodbye Girl. >>> >Romantic comedies will never really stand up against an amazing >>> >drama, but Linings and Goodbye Girl both combined intelligent >scripts >>> >with outstanding performances that resulting in Best Picture >>> >nominations. Neither won, or probably deserved to win, but both >are >>> >at the highest and most intelligent levels of the genre. >>> >>> >>> >>> Back to Lincoln, I left the film thinking it was very >interesting >>> >to get a view of what may have really been happening during that >>> >important time in our history, but feeling the film was flat. >>> >Interesting, spectacular cinematography, incredible performances >by >>> >DDL and Spader, but surprisingly little energy and little impact >on >>> >me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Interestingly, I was in Manila a few weeks ago for meetings. >One >>> >of our employees, Boris, had flown from his home in Hungary to >attend >>> >our meetings in Manila. He was born and raised behind the iron >>> >curtain and was educated in the Soviet system. Boris is >decidedly >>> >socialist and skeptical of everything American. I had him >attend >>> >meetings with me in Orlando a year or so ago and I took all our >group >>> >to dinner at a Cuban/Spanish fusion restaurant called Colombia. > It >>> >was located at the idyllic, former Disney, community called >>> >Celebration. Boris spent the entire evening asking to see the >>> >ghettos. Ive read my whole life about the ghettos in the US >and >>> >I want to see them. Where are they? >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyway, in Manila I asked Boris how his flight was coming over >and >>> >he said I watched Lincoln. I asked what he thought of it and >he >>> >said he actually hadnt watched because when it began with the >scene >>> >of Lincoln talking to the two soldiers he found it so contrived >that >>> >he couldnt watch anymore. >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course, I did watch more but his comment resonated with me >and >>> >was actually something I had felt about the film but hadnt been >able >>> >to articulate. For me, there were several moments that made me >feel >>> >that way. >>> >>> >>> >>> To each his own, I guess. In the end, I feel fortunate to >have so >>> >many hours of enjoyment from movies at all good or great. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> DBT >>> >>> Profile >>> >>> >>> >>> CC: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> >>> From: fly...@pacbell.net >>> >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>> >Hollywood. >>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 21:32:42 -0800 >>> >>> To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm with you David. One person who got robbed during the award >>> >season was Michael Pena for END OF WATCH. >>> >>> I was glad to see Matthew McConaughey (sp?!!!) win a Spirit >Award >>> >for best supporting actor in MAGIC MIKE. He was great!! >>> >>> Toochis >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:37:20 -0800 >>> >>> From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com >>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, I agree, Doug. In my first public post about "Lincoln" >in >>> >late December - I noted the picture does have a few "self >consciously >>> >noble moments," and that scene you mention is the most obvious. >But >>> >after that, I really got into the dialogue, the horse-trading, >the >>> >political shrewdness of Lincoln trying desperately to get the >13th >>> >Amendment passed before the end of the Civil War. Lincoln the >man >>> >(vs. the legend) - truly "came alive" in DDL's perf, and I forgot >>> >about DDL after awhile. "Silver Linings Playbook" was easily the >>> >most "crowd pleasing" of the nominees, as gales of laughter could >be >>> >heard from start-to-finish at the screening I attended. I would >not >>> >have been too disappointed if "Playbook" had won, but I really >felt >>> >the "Ben Affleck-George Clooney" factor, combined with Affleck >being >>> >snubbed as best director - were heavily responsible for "Argo's" >win >>> >at the expense of all of the other nominees for Best Picture. -d. >>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:07:09 -0500 >>> >>> From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com >>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought Silver Linings was Best Picture, followed by Argo. >>> >Lincoln would have been 3-5 on my ballot. >>> >>> >>> >>> DDL and Spader were great, but I found the film uninspired and >a >>> >bit manipulative from the opening scene of the conversation >between >>> >Lincoln and the two soldiers. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> DBT >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:57:29 -0600 >>> >>> From: ki...@movieart.net >>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> >>> >>> >>> I responded to David K., but I'll go ahead a post to the >entire >>> >list. I agree with David and Franc on this one entirely. I'm >not >>> >what anyone would characterize as a huge Spielberg fan, although >I >>> >recognize his enormous accomplishments in purveying popular >films. >>> >In my book he has had several particularly satisfying films - >>> >SCHINDLER'S LIST, E.T., and a few others. But LINCOLN is an >>> >extraordinary film driven by an extraordinary script adapted from >an >>> >extraordinary book with extraordinary performances. Is that >enough >>> >"extraordinaries" fer ya? I enjoyed ARGO; it was entertaining. >But >>> >clearly Spielberg and company were robbed. I think the sorry >>> >decision to have 9 best picture nominations is going to produce >what >>> >I'll bet are (regrettably) "plurality" decisions like this one. >>> >>> >>> >>> I thank Steven Spielberg for bringing together this great pool >of >>> >talent and leaving us with a picture that generations will enjoy >>> >again and again. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kirby McDaniel >>> >>> www.movieart.n >>> >> >>> >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >> >>> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>> >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>> >> >>> >> Send a message addressed to: >lists...@listserv.american.edu >>> >> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>> >> >>> >> The author of this message is solely responsible for its >content >>> >. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >___________________________________________________________________ >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>> >>> Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>> >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its >content. >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >___________________________________________________________________ >How >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed >to: >>> lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: >SIGNOFF >>> MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its >content. >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>Bruce Hershenson and the other 29 members of the eMoviePoster.com >team >>P.O. 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