>
>well I made the mistake and watched it.... same responce..took me
back to when I 1st saw it.. damn that score and film is sopowerful..
what a well crafted story,,, I had forgot why he edited the scenes.
gotta go...im remembering again
>---- Original Message ----
>From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com
>To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>Hollywood.
>Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:30:03 -0500
>
>>The kisses in Cinema Paradiso are almost unfair. Who could defend
>against that emotion? It is like fighting against Mike Tyson jn his
>prime, with Cus D'mato managing him, there was simply no
>defense...you were going down.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Doug Taylor
>>
>>
>>Sent via mobile device
>>________________________________
>>From: Bruce Hershenson<mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.com>
>>Sent: ?3/?2/?2013 7:52 PM
>>To: Douglas B Taylor<mailto:douglasbtay...@hotmail.com>
>>Cc:
>MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu<mailto:MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu>
>>Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>Hollywood.
>>
>>That's interesting, Doug. My oldest son is a very unemotional
>person, but
>>he loves Cinema Paradiso (as I do) and I watched it again with him
>and he
>>too cried at the kissing scene, and I can't remember the last time
>he cried
>>about anything.
>>
>>What a wonderful movie (whether or not it won Oscars!).
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Douglas B Taylor
><douglasbtay...@hotmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Doug Taylor
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via mobile device
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: Douglas B Taylor <douglasbtay...@hotmail.com>
>>> Sent: 3/2/2013 7:27 PM
>>> To: dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>Hollywood.
>>>
>>> Well, here I go with another tangent, but since you bright up
>Cinema
>>> Paradiso...
>>>
>>> My all time favorite films are (for me) "the four
>C's"...Casablanca,
>>> Citizen Kane, City Lights and Cinema Paradiso.
>>>
>>> I will never forget seeing Cinema Paradiso in Washington DC, at
>the AFI.
>>> It was a couple years after the release and I hadn't seen it since
>the
>>> original run so I jumped at the chance to see the AFI screening.
>>>
>>> I sat next to my wife (at the time) and, about 15 minutes before
>the end
>>> of the movie, I began sobbing like a baby. I had just remembered
>that the
>>> scene withe the kisses was coming up and it shattered me. What a
>>> wonderful, wonderful moment in film. I honestly don't know if
>there is a
>>> better moment in film then the kissing reel in Cinema Paradiso.
>Probably
>>> many equal, but maybe none better.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Doug Taylor
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via mobile device
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: Tom Martin <dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com>
>>> Sent: 3/2/2013 6:46 PM
>>>
>>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>Hollywood.
>>>
>>> > I think we should be talking about Bad directosrs Toochis as
>it
>>> seems like most out there are pretty goodover the bad ones..LOL.
>>> I gree wyler and wilderare great... maybe we should all make lists
>>> but I would be here all day on how many i liked there films..
>Cinema
>>> paradisio was great and i forget the directors name but hes good..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >---- Original Message ----
>>> >From: fly...@pacbell.net
>>> >To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> >Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>>> >Hollywood.
>>> >Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:30:00 -0800
>>> >
>>> >>Hi David
>>> >>
>>> >>Great post! I would also like to add to Billy Wilder WILLIAM
>WYLER.
>>> >What a career and so much variety! BEN HUR is amazing as is
>ROMAN
>>> >HOLIDAY and THE COLLECTOR and so many more.
>>> >>
>>> >>They are remaking BEN HUR.
>>> >>
>>> >>Toochis
>>> >>
>>> >>Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>On Mar 2, 2013, at 1:31 PM, David Kusumoto
>>> ><davidmkusum...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> * Wow! A lot of well-written posts on this thread.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> * I was talking to my wife about "Lincoln" last night and she
>>> >pointedly reminded me that some of her friends thought "Lincoln"
>was
>>> >dull-dull-dull - and I was forced to confess that my intense
>interest
>>> >in "Lincoln" was related to my background in intl. political
>science
>>> >and journalism. No, she insists, not everyone will like
>"Lincoln"
>>> >because it's a talky picture lacking a strong emotional pull for
>>> >general audiences. It has no action scenes except during its
>very
>>> >flawed beginning. Hence many viewers, she said, will strongly
>>> >disagree with my view that it's a "classic." Well, it was
>>> >emotionally engaging to me even though I concede that what you
>bring
>>> >to the table matters and I'm clearly biased. And Doug rightly
>says,
>>> >"to each his own."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> * Meanwhile, I think Phil's comment about "Shakespeare in
>Love"
>>> >winning Best Picture (1998) - as being equivalent to "Argo's" win
>>> >over "Lincoln" - is funny because I thought the same, but I
>wasn't
>>> >going to go "there" because since 1998, I have been defending
>>> >"Private Ryan" to a large group of mostly international movie
>fans
>>> >who continue to hate this film with a passion because of its
>>> >American-centric story-line and its "teary and manipulative"
>bookends
>>> >- despite "Ryan's" cinematic breakthroughs, i.e., the spectacular
>>> >staging of the brutal D-Day landing on Omaha Beach, the slower
>>> >shutter speeds of the battle scenes and the desaturated colors of
>the
>>> >entire picture. I don't think "Argo's" win was the same kind of
>>> >"robbery" nor will generate the hue and cry that "Shakespeare in
>>> >Love" did when Weinstein campaigned heavily to snare the Best
>Picture
>>> >award from "Ryan," the latter a film that critics in both the
>U.K.
>>> >and the U.S. asserted - at the time - represented a milestone in
>the
>>> >art of film.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> * As far as Spielberg himself - Adrian and I have had a
>friendly
>>> >debate going on about him for more than 12 years I think. We're
>>> >never going to change each other's minds and I agree Spielberg
>has a
>>> >tendency to over-sentimentalize his pictures and to manipulate
>his
>>> >audiences with his brand of storytelling. But while I concede
>that
>>> >he is not a perfect director and has turned out a large share of
>>> >duds, I will also argue that Spielberg has enough sterling
>>> >accomplishments on his resume, more than 1 or 2 films I would
>argue -
>>> >to earn a glorified place in the history of cinema. The fact
>that I
>>> >even have to defend the man after more than 40 years is a
>testament
>>> >to the polarizing figure he remains to movie fans - and to people
>>> >working in the industry. No, he is not Martin Scorsese (but have
>you
>>> >seen the quality of Scorsese's output lately?) - but Spielberg is
>>> >still, despite his faults, constitutionally incapable of turning
>out
>>> >a technically inept film. It was Orson Welles who told Peter
>>> >Bogdanovich that you don't need a lot of masterpieces to be
>canonized
>>> >in film history, that "you only need one." And yet "Citizen
>Kane"
>>> >clearly isn't for anyone nor does it tug at everyone's heart
>strings.
>>> > Spielberg's body of work, in my view, has surpassed a lot of
>other
>>> >directors by a country mile.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> * Finally, there's a third "still living" director who is an
>>> >all-time fave of mine - who I forgot to mention - who I feel has
>been
>>> >treated MORE EGREGIOUSLY than Spielberg. And that's Brit
>director
>>> >Ridley Scott. Yes, he's churned out a few duds, but so has every
>>> >legendary director like Billy Wilder. Ridley Scott has had a
>>> >wonderful career spanning multiple genres! He's the "old man" of
>>> >group and still Oscar eludes him. Any man, like Spielberg, who
>can
>>> >produce even 2-3 "greats" amid a long list of duds - can be
>forgiven,
>>> >in my book, for those duds. And Scott is a dynamic director who
>is
>>> >LONG OVERDUE. Yes, the Oscars are frivolous and "irrelevant,"
>but if
>>> >you win one, it's always in the first line in EVERY obituary you
>read
>>> >about the passing of someone in the industry. -d.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com
>>> >>> To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> >>> Subject: RE: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>>> >Hollywood.
>>> >>> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 00:55:34 -0500
>>> >>>
>>> >>> David,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I always enjoy your comments and posts.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I dont think it was a great year for films, although it seems
>we
>>> >rarely have great years anymore, consequently our standards may
>have
>>> >dropped a bit. Having said that, the film quality this year may
>have
>>> >actually been above the recent average.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Certainly it was a magnificent year for individual
>performances.
>>> >Wow, what choices! It was impossible to pick best actor or
>actress
>>> >because there were so many deserving nominees.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> For Director, I happen to think Ang Lee was the correct
>choice.
>>> >What a vision he had to have to make that film.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regarding Silver Linings, it reminded me of Goodbye Girl.
>>> >Romantic comedies will never really stand up against an amazing
>>> >drama, but Linings and Goodbye Girl both combined intelligent
>scripts
>>> >with outstanding performances that resulting in Best Picture
>>> >nominations. Neither won, or probably deserved to win, but both
>are
>>> >at the highest and most intelligent levels of the genre.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Back to Lincoln, I left the film thinking it was very
>interesting
>>> >to get a view of what may have really been happening during that
>>> >important time in our history, but feeling the film was flat.
>>> >Interesting, spectacular cinematography, incredible performances
>by
>>> >DDL and Spader, but surprisingly little energy and little impact
>on
>>> >me.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Interestingly, I was in Manila a few weeks ago for meetings.
>One
>>> >of our employees, Boris, had flown from his home in Hungary to
>attend
>>> >our meetings in Manila. He was born and raised behind the iron
>>> >curtain and was educated in the Soviet system. Boris is
>decidedly
>>> >socialist and skeptical of everything American. I had him
>attend
>>> >meetings with me in Orlando a year or so ago and I took all our
>group
>>> >to dinner at a Cuban/Spanish fusion restaurant called Colombia.
> It
>>> >was located at the idyllic, former Disney, community called
>>> >Celebration. Boris spent the entire evening asking to see the
>>> >ghettos. Ive read my whole life about the ghettos in the US
>and
>>> >I want to see them. Where are they?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anyway, in Manila I asked Boris how his flight was coming over
>and
>>> >he said I watched Lincoln. I asked what he thought of it and
>he
>>> >said he actually hadnt watched because when it began with the
>scene
>>> >of Lincoln talking to the two soldiers he found it so contrived
>that
>>> >he couldnt watch anymore.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Of course, I did watch more but his comment resonated with me
>and
>>> >was actually something I had felt about the film but hadnt been
>able
>>> >to articulate. For me, there were several moments that made me
>feel
>>> >that way.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> To each his own, I guess. In the end, I feel fortunate to
>have so
>>> >many hours of enjoyment from movies at all
good or great.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DBT
>>> >>> Profile
>>> >>>
>>> >>> CC: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> >>> From: fly...@pacbell.net
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>>> >Hollywood.
>>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 21:32:42 -0800
>>> >>> To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm with you David. One person who got robbed during the award
>>> >season was Michael Pena for END OF WATCH.
>>> >>> I was glad to see Matthew McConaughey (sp?!!!) win a Spirit
>Award
>>> >for best supporting actor in MAGIC MIKE. He was great!!
>>> >>> Toochis
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:37:20 -0800
>>> >>> From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
>>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>Hollywood.
>>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yes, I agree, Doug. In my first public post about "Lincoln"
>in
>>> >late December - I noted the picture does have a few "self
>consciously
>>> >noble moments," and that scene you mention is the most obvious.
>But
>>> >after that, I really got into the dialogue, the horse-trading,
>the
>>> >political shrewdness of Lincoln trying desperately to get the
>13th
>>> >Amendment passed before the end of the Civil War. Lincoln the
>man
>>> >(vs. the legend) - truly "came alive" in DDL's perf, and I forgot
>>> >about DDL after awhile. "Silver Linings Playbook" was easily the
>>> >most "crowd pleasing" of the nominees, as gales of laughter could
>be
>>> >heard from start-to-finish at the screening I attended. I would
>not
>>> >have been too disappointed if "Playbook" had won, but I really
>felt
>>> >the "Ben Affleck-George Clooney" factor, combined with Affleck
>being
>>> >snubbed as best director - were heavily responsible for "Argo's"
>win
>>> >at the expense of all of the other nominees for Best Picture. -d.
>>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:07:09 -0500
>>> >>> From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com
>>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>Hollywood.
>>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I thought Silver Linings was Best Picture, followed by Argo.
>>> >Lincoln would have been 3-5 on my ballot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DDL and Spader were great, but I found the film uninspired and
>a
>>> >bit manipulative from the opening scene of the conversation
>between
>>> >Lincoln and the two soldiers.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards
>>> >>>
>>> >>> DBT
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:57:29 -0600
>>> >>> From: ki...@movieart.net
>>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In
>Hollywood.
>>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I responded to David K., but I'll go ahead a post to the
>entire
>>> >list. I agree with David and Franc on this one entirely. I'm
>not
>>> >what anyone would characterize as a huge Spielberg fan, although
>I
>>> >recognize his enormous accomplishments in purveying popular
>films.
>>> >In my book he has had several particularly satisfying films -
>>> >SCHINDLER'S LIST, E.T., and a few others. But LINCOLN is an
>>> >extraordinary film driven by an extraordinary script adapted from
>an
>>> >extraordinary book with extraordinary performances. Is that
>enough
>>> >"extraordinaries" fer ya? I enjoyed ARGO; it was entertaining.
>But
>>> >clearly Spielberg and company were robbed. I think the sorry
>>> >decision to have 9 best picture nominations is going to produce
>what
>>> >I'll bet are (regrettably) "plurality" decisions like this one.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I thank Steven Spielberg for bringing together this great pool
>of
>>> >talent and leaving us with a picture that generations will enjoy
>>> >again and again.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kirby McDaniel
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