>well Adrian.... somehow picturing a red haired 7 foot tall Scotsman ,,, sitting next to me in a theater getting all worked up and balling his eyes out.. just doesnt seem fashionable.. or prudent..
yet being the fair and balanced person I am,, I guess i will accept yourbehaviour like anyone else..matter offact all mopo is welcome to be a group of balling babies anytime they want for any movie that turns thier crank..its when we stop weeping when Ill get concerned. My son impressed me the otherday... he said Dad.. I used to want to shock people with Horror and things that where on the edge,, but he discovered empathy,, and a responcibility and now sees that some people can be influanced by films and if unstable it can give them ideas to act out... not allpeople but perhaps some that are on the edge anyway... and I said yes when we think of thatwe can leave a poitive messege in what we say and do...or we can be callous and just make statements that may hurt others,,when I was KId when had heroes like a Supermen... the cowboy heros and most where not vengeful but fair and offered some morals.. well that all became unhip... and the status became its about me.. and what I deserve,, and forget the rest... butas we all know that came back to bite us... because we are all stewards of the earth, of our children, and our aged.our resources and animals , and world communitiy as a whole.. when we loose sight of that its all over.. so IMHO its time to rebuild, rediscover, and restore on a global basis .. unity and use our intellect to defend and create opportunity for all.I think the art communitie , filmmakers are waking upand seeing that people need help.. and there is a need to take responcibility... So there is hope.. and for me my son really amazed me that he saw his actions had a effect on people.... so miracles do happen.:) > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: jboh...@aol.com >To: dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com, >MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:38:39 -0500 (EST) > >>I get this way with any good film and when emotion is done so >well...but for me every time is the end of On Her Majesty's Secret >Service....daft eh? >> >> >> >> >> This never happened to the other fella... >> >>Adrian Cowdry >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tom Martin <dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com> >>To: MoPo-L <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> >>Sent: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 1:47 >>Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >> >> >>> >>>totally agree... no defennse against Love.. Love conquers all. >>> >>>---- Original Message ---- >>>From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com >>>To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>>Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>Hollywood. >>>Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 20:30:03 -0500 >>> >>>>The kisses in Cinema Paradiso are almost unfair. Who could defend >>>against that emotion? It is like fighting against Mike Tyson jn >his >>>prime, with Cus D'mato managing him, there was simply no >>>defense...you were going down. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>Doug Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>Sent via mobile device >>>>________________________________ >>>>From: Bruce Hershenson<mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.com> >>>>Sent: ?3/?2/?2013 7:52 PM >>>>To: Douglas B Taylor<mailto:douglasbtay...@hotmail.com> >>>>Cc: >>>MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu<mailto:MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu> >>>>Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>Hollywood. >>>> >>>>That's interesting, Doug. My oldest son is a very unemotional >>>person, but >>>>he loves Cinema Paradiso (as I do) and I watched it again with him >>>and he >>>>too cried at the kissing scene, and I can't remember the last time >>>he cried >>>>about anything. >>>> >>>>What a wonderful movie (whether or not it won Oscars!). >>>> >>>> >>>>On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Douglas B Taylor >>><douglasbtay...@hotmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Doug Taylor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent via mobile device >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> From: Douglas B Taylor <douglasbtay...@hotmail.com> >>>>> Sent: 3/2/2013 7:27 PM >>>>> To: dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com >>>>> >>>>> Subject: RE: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>Hollywood. >>>>> >>>>> Well, here I go with another tangent, but since you bright up >>>Cinema >>>>> Paradiso... >>>>> >>>>> My all time favorite films are (for me) "the four >>>C's"...Casablanca, >>>>> Citizen Kane, City Lights and Cinema Paradiso. >>>>> >>>>> I will never forget seeing Cinema Paradiso in Washington DC, at >>>the AFI. >>>>> It was a couple years after the release and I hadn't seen it >since >>>the >>>>> original run so I jumped at the chance to see the AFI screening. >>>>> >>>>> I sat next to my wife (at the time) and, about 15 minutes before >>>the end >>>>> of the movie, I began sobbing like a baby. I had just >remembered >>>that the >>>>> scene withe the kisses was coming up and it shattered me. What >a >>>>> wonderful, wonderful moment in film. I honestly don't know if >>>there is a >>>>> better moment in film then the kissing reel in Cinema Paradiso. >>>Probably >>>>> many equal, but maybe none better. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Doug Taylor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent via mobile device >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> From: Tom Martin <dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com> >>>>> Sent: 3/2/2013 6:46 PM >>>>> >>>>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>Hollywood. >>>>> >>>>> > I think we should be talking about Bad directosrs Toochis as >>>it >>>>> seems like most out there are pretty goodover the bad ones..LOL. >>>>> I gree wyler and wilderare great... maybe we should all make >lists >>>>> but I would be here all day on how many i liked there films.. >>>Cinema >>>>> paradisio was great and i forget the directors name but hes >good.. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >---- Original Message ---- >>>>> >From: fly...@pacbell.net >>>>> >To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>>>> >Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>>> >Hollywood. >>>>> >Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:30:00 -0800 >>>>> > >>>>> >>Hi David >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Great post! I would also like to add to Billy Wilder WILLIAM >>>WYLER. >>>>> >What a career and so much variety! BEN HUR is amazing as is >>>ROMAN >>>>> >HOLIDAY and THE COLLECTOR and so many more. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>They are remaking BEN HUR. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Toochis >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >> >>>>> >>On Mar 2, 2013, at 1:31 PM, David Kusumoto >>>>> ><davidmkusum...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> * Wow! A lot of well-written posts on this thread. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> * I was talking to my wife about "Lincoln" last night and >she >>>>> >pointedly reminded me that some of her friends thought >"Lincoln" >>>was >>>>> >dull-dull-dull - and I was forced to confess that my intense >>>interest >>>>> >in "Lincoln" was related to my background in intl. political >>>science >>>>> >and journalism. No, she insists, not everyone will like >>>"Lincoln" >>>>> >because it's a talky picture lacking a strong emotional pull >for >>>>> >general audiences. It has no action scenes except during its >>>very >>>>> >flawed beginning. Hence many viewers, she said, will strongly >>>>> >disagree with my view that it's a "classic." Well, it was >>>>> >emotionally engaging to me even though I concede that what you >>>bring >>>>> >to the table matters and I'm clearly biased. And Doug rightly >>>says, >>>>> >"to each his own." >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> * Meanwhile, I think Phil's comment about "Shakespeare in >>>Love" >>>>> >winning Best Picture (1998) - as being equivalent to "Argo's" >win >>>>> >over "Lincoln" - is funny because I thought the same, but I >>>wasn't >>>>> >going to go "there" because since 1998, I have been defending >>>>> >"Private Ryan" to a large group of mostly international movie >>>fans >>>>> >who continue to hate this film with a passion because of its >>>>> >American-centric story-line and its "teary and manipulative" >>>bookends >>>>> >- despite "Ryan's" cinematic breakthroughs, i.e., the >spectacular >>>>> >staging of the brutal D-Day landing on Omaha Beach, the slower >>>>> >shutter speeds of the battle scenes and the desaturated colors >of >>>the >>>>> >entire picture. I don't think "Argo's" win was the same kind >of >>>>> >"robbery" nor will generate the hue and cry that "Shakespeare >in >>>>> >Love" did when Weinstein campaigned heavily to snare the Best >>>Picture >>>>> >award from "Ryan," the latter a film that critics in both the >>>U.K. >>>>> >and the U.S. asserted - at the time - represented a milestone >in >>>the >>>>> >art of film. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> * As far as Spielberg himself - Adrian and I have had a >>>friendly >>>>> >debate going on about him for more than 12 years I think. >We're >>>>> >never going to change each other's minds and I agree Spielberg >>>has a >>>>> >tendency to over-sentimentalize his pictures and to manipulate >>>his >>>>> >audiences with his brand of storytelling. But while I concede >>>that >>>>> >he is not a perfect director and has turned out a large share >of >>>>> >duds, I will also argue that Spielberg has enough sterling >>>>> >accomplishments on his resume, more than 1 or 2 films I would >>>argue - >>>>> >to earn a glorified place in the history of cinema. The fact >>>that I >>>>> >even have to defend the man after more than 40 years is a >>>testament >>>>> >to the polarizing figure he remains to movie fans - and to >people >>>>> >working in the industry. No, he is not Martin Scorsese (but >have >>>you >>>>> >seen the quality of Scorsese's output lately?) - but Spielberg >is >>>>> >still, despite his faults, constitutionally incapable of >turning >>>out >>>>> >a technically inept film. It was Orson Welles who told Peter >>>>> >Bogdanovich that you don't need a lot of masterpieces to be >>>canonized >>>>> >in film history, that "you only need one." And yet "Citizen >>>Kane" >>>>> >clearly isn't for anyone nor does it tug at everyone's heart >>>strings. >>>>> > Spielberg's body of work, in my view, has surpassed a lot of >>>other >>>>> >directors by a country mile. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> * Finally, there's a third "still living" director who is an >>>>> >all-time fave of mine - who I forgot to mention - who I feel >has >>>been >>>>> >treated MORE EGREGIOUSLY than Spielberg. And that's Brit >>>director >>>>> >Ridley Scott. Yes, he's churned out a few duds, but so has >every >>>>> >legendary director like Billy Wilder. Ridley Scott has had a >>>>> >wonderful career spanning multiple genres! He's the "old man" >of >>>>> >group and still Oscar eludes him. Any man, like Spielberg, who >>>can >>>>> >produce even 2-3 "greats" amid a long list of duds - can be >>>forgiven, >>>>> >in my book, for those duds. And Scott is a dynamic director >who >>>is >>>>> >LONG OVERDUE. Yes, the Oscars are frivolous and "irrelevant," >>>but if >>>>> >you win one, it's always in the first line in EVERY obituary >you >>>read >>>>> >about the passing of someone in the industry. -d. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com >>>>> >>> To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>>>> >>> Subject: RE: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>>> >Hollywood. >>>>> >>> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 00:55:34 -0500 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> David, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I always enjoy your comments and posts. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I dont think it was a great year for films, although it >seems >>>we >>>>> >rarely have great years anymore, consequently our standards may >>>have >>>>> >dropped a bit. Having said that, the film quality this year >may >>>have >>>>> >actually been above the recent average. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Certainly it was a magnificent year for individual >>>performances. >>>>> >Wow, what choices! It was impossible to pick best actor or >>>actress >>>>> >because there were so many deserving nominees. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> For Director, I happen to think Ang Lee was the correct >>>choice. >>>>> >What a vision he had to have to make that film. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Regarding Silver Linings, it reminded me of Goodbye Girl. >>>>> >Romantic comedies will never really stand up against an >amazing >>>>> >drama, but Linings and Goodbye Girl both combined intelligent >>>scripts >>>>> >with outstanding performances that resulting in Best Picture >>>>> >nominations. Neither won, or probably deserved to win, but >both >>>are >>>>> >at the highest and most intelligent levels of the genre. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Back to Lincoln, I left the film thinking it was very >>>interesting >>>>> >to get a view of what may have really been happening during >that >>>>> >important time in our history, but feeling the film was flat. >>>>> >Interesting, spectacular cinematography, incredible >performances >>>by >>>>> >DDL and Spader, but surprisingly little energy and little >impact >>>on >>>>> >me. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Interestingly, I was in Manila a few weeks ago for meetings. > >>>One >>>>> >of our employees, Boris, had flown from his home in Hungary to >>>attend >>>>> >our meetings in Manila. He was born and raised behind the iron >>>>> >curtain and was educated in the Soviet system. Boris is >>>decidedly >>>>> >socialist and skeptical of everything American. I had him >>>attend >>>>> >meetings with me in Orlando a year or so ago and I took all our >>>group >>>>> >to dinner at a Cuban/Spanish fusion restaurant called >Colombia. >>> It >>>>> >was located at the idyllic, former Disney, community called >>>>> >Celebration. Boris spent the entire evening asking to see the >>>>> >ghettos. Ive read my whole life about the ghettos in the >US >>>and >>>>> >I want to see them. Where are they? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Anyway, in Manila I asked Boris how his flight was coming >over >>>and >>>>> >he said I watched Lincoln. I asked what he thought of it and >>>he >>>>> >said he actually hadnt watched because when it began with the >>>scene >>>>> >of Lincoln talking to the two soldiers he found it so contrived >>>that >>>>> >he couldnt watch anymore. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Of course, I did watch more but his comment resonated with >me >>>and >>>>> >was actually something I had felt about the film but hadnt >been >>>able >>>>> >to articulate. For me, there were several moments that made me >>>feel >>>>> >that way. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> To each his own, I guess. In the end, I feel fortunate to >>>have so >>>>> >many hours of enjoyment from movies at all good or great. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Regards >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> DBT >>>>> >>> Profile >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> CC: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>>>> >>> From: fly...@pacbell.net >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>>> >Hollywood. >>>>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 21:32:42 -0800 >>>>> >>> To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I'm with you David. One person who got robbed during the >award >>>>> >season was Michael Pena for END OF WATCH. >>>>> >>> I was glad to see Matthew McConaughey (sp?!!!) win a Spirit >>>Award >>>>> >for best supporting actor in MAGIC MIKE. He was great!! >>>>> >>> Toochis >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:37:20 -0800 >>>>> >>> From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>Hollywood. >>>>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Yes, I agree, Doug. In my first public post about "Lincoln" >>>in >>>>> >late December - I noted the picture does have a few "self >>>consciously >>>>> >noble moments," and that scene you mention is the most obvious. > >>>But >>>>> >after that, I really got into the dialogue, the horse-trading, >>>the >>>>> >political shrewdness of Lincoln trying desperately to get the >>>13th >>>>> >Amendment passed before the end of the Civil War. Lincoln the >>>man >>>>> >(vs. the legend) - truly "came alive" in DDL's perf, and I >forgot >>>>> >about DDL after awhile. "Silver Linings Playbook" was easily >the >>>>> >most "crowd pleasing" of the nominees, as gales of laughter >could >>>be >>>>> >heard from start-to-finish at the screening I attended. I >would >>>not >>>>> >have been too disappointed if "Playbook" had won, but I really >>>felt >>>>> >the "Ben Affleck-George Clooney" factor, combined with Affleck >>>being >>>>> >snubbed as best director - were heavily responsible for >"Argo's" >>>win >>>>> >at the expense of all of the other nominees for Best Picture. >-d. >>>>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 22:07:09 -0500 >>>>> >>> From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>Hollywood. >>>>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I thought Silver Linings was Best Picture, followed by Argo. >>>>> >Lincoln would have been 3-5 on my ballot. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> DDL and Spader were great, but I found the film uninspired >and >>>a >>>>> >bit manipulative from the opening scene of the conversation >>>between >>>>> >Lincoln and the two soldiers. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Regards >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> DBT >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:57:29 -0600 >>>>> >>> From: ki...@movieart.net >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >>>Hollywood. >>>>> >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I responded to David K., but I'll go ahead a post to the >>>entire >>>>> >list. I agree with David and Franc on this one entirely. I'm >>>not >>>>> >what anyone would characterize as a huge Spielberg fan, >although >>>I >>>>> >recognize his enormous accomplishments in purveying popular >>>films. >>>>> >In my book he has had several particularly satisfying films - >>>>> >SCHINDLER'S LIST, E.T., and a few others. But LINCOLN is an >>>>> >extraordinary film driven by an extraordinary script adapted >from >>>an >>>>> >extraordinary book with extraordinary performances. Is that >>>enough >>>>> >"extraordinaries" fer ya? I enjoyed ARGO; it was entertaining. > >>>But >>>>> >clearly Spielberg and company were robbed. I think the sorry >>>>> >decision to have 9 best picture nominations is going to produce >>>what >>>>> >I'll bet are (regrettably) "plurality" decisions like this one. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I thank Steven Spielberg for bringing together this great >pool >>>of >>>>> >talent and leaving us with a picture that generations will >enjoy >>>>> >again and again. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Kirby McDaniel >>>>> >>> www.movieart.n >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at >www.filmfan.com >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>__________________________________________________________________ >_ >>>>> >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Send a message addressed to: >>>lists...@listserv.american.edu >>>>> >> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The author of this message is solely responsible for its >>>content >>>>> >. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>>>> >>>___________________________________________________________________ >>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>>>> >>>>> Send a message addressed to: >lists...@listserv.american.edu >>>>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>>>> >>>>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its >>>content. >>>>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>>>> >>>___________________________________________________________________ >>>How >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message >addressed >>>to: >>>>> lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: >>>SIGNOFF >>>>> MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its >>>content. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Bruce Hershenson and the other 29 members of the eMoviePoster.com >>>team >>>>P.O. 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