Richard
these posters were stored and used for years by poster distributors.
I have loads of Belgian posters we know are 1950s
printings with 1960's play dates on them, so that
by itself isn't much proof of release date
similarly we have American posters used the same
way for years. I looked at and considered the
dates before you posted about them, but the other
information available also are clues, in
particular the Selznick International line.
Post war Belgian posters are several sizes after
the war, and I don't think I've ever seen a 1940s
Belgian that was larger than 14x22 (of course we see smaller sizes)
so again, I think Heritage has this poster just right
Rich
At 03:02 PM 6/28/2013, evan...@mac.com wrote:
But Rich, the dates indicate screening either in May 44 or 50.
May 44 is too early and referring to the
calendar those dates don't work for those days again until 1950.
And, they did continue using the "Selznick
International" credit presumably past '46, it's
there on the printings with the Cine Vog distribution credit.
Could have blocked that off out of the artwork,
as per RKO being blocked out of the Notorious Cine Vog RRs.
I believe the other thing with it, is that the
size coincides with the usual "Cine Vog" paper, 14 X 22"
Whereas earlier, wartime paper shortage era
Belgian posters, less paper used, and cropped
closer to the print area, even if the art originates from the same plates.
That said, I don't know the answer, it's weird.
On 28 Jun 2013, at 22:43, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:
Richard
I would say this is the 1945 poster, though as
we all know recycling posters for many years was reality.
One key to the date is the "Selznick
International" credit, which ceased usage by 1946
I think Heritage got this poster just right and
has stated exactly what the poster is - first post-war release.
Rich
At 01:59 PM 6/28/2013, Richard C Evans wrote:
What usually turns up has Cine Vog top left
just above the image area and "Selsnick International PRESENTE".
As I understand it, if Cine Vog distributed, then invariably it's RR.
Can't recall having seen one that's known to be original release.
Confused about this one, and where it fits
into things, though clearly rarer than those printed with "Cine Vog".
<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7040&lotNo=84176#Photo>http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7040&lotNo=84176#Photo
Heritage describe as late 40's, first post-war Belgian.
Main, or only difference appears to be lack of
the Cine Vog credit, though colours possibly more garish.
Screening info shows "Mercredi 17 Mai" and "Jeudi 18 Mai".
Checking the calendar, in that general time
frame, Wednesday 17th/Thursday 18th only works for either 1944 and 1950.
IMDB has Belgian release as Jan 1945, and
since Belgium wasn't liberated until late '44,
May '44 release seems impossible.
Rarer than the usual, would that place it
earlier than Cine Vog paper (usually described
as being late 40s, though invariably with
snipe/screening info torn off), even though it
seems likely to have been used in 1950, or am I missing something?
On 28 Jun 2013, at 11:45,
<http://MotionPictureArt.com/>MotionPictureArt.com wrote:
Hi Helmut,
Do you also know of original 1940s Belgians
not printed on something different than the
regularly used paper stock that show a semi-glossy/shiny surface?
Ron
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From: Helmut Hamm [ mailto:texasmu...@web.de]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] How to authenticate a Rebecca R40 Belgian?
I couldn't say anything about the REBECCA
poster without have seen at least an image,
but the 'light sheen' is not unusual with
early post-war Belgian posters. I've handled
original 1940s Belgians that were printed on
the back of an old map and 100% original that
showed a slightly 'shiny' surface. My guess
is that this fades away pretty fast, so you
won't commonly see this on posters that have
exposed to the sun. Both print and paper
quality on the 40s and 50s poster are quite
different from the much glossier paper stock
that became standard in the 1960s, though.
Helmut
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Hi Michael,
The info in the lower border area seems
correct, because most reprints have no text or Printed in Belgium.
And indeed the less digits the phone number
has the older the poster. How many digits does it have?
However, its the semi-glossy/slight sheen
thats suspicious to me because I believe
they started printing Belgian posters on semi-glossy around the 1970s.
Ive never handled an older Belgian poster
that was semi-glossy or with a slight sheen.
My guess is its a later reissue. Hope this helps.
Have a great weekend,
Ron
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Subject: [MOPO] How to authenticate a Rebecca R40 Belgian?
A little help?
Bought one this weekend which might be
authentic and it might be signed by Larry Olivier.
The poster is 14x19.75, but the reserve
(top?) might be trimmed. Imprime en Belgique
in lower left corner. Bruxelles address,
phone and text in lower right. Paper on
front is kind of semi-glossy, it has a slight
sheen. On back browning and not coated.
My friend who has many Belgian noir posters
thinks it it right. How do you tell?
Thanks, Michael, Cinecityposters
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