I guess based on what has Paul said, it seems the the poster is most
likely to be from a print run for the foreign market rather than a print
run for the local (UK market) which is what the HA one appears to be;
this in itself would explain some of the minor variations, yet it still
holds some of the key features of that HA one, for instance the same
litho number, the same colours (as compared to the '49 HA one) and also
the print detail is also extremely similar to the UK market (HA '49) one
and nothing like the R50s one.
So on that basis probably the real question is not what the minor print
differences are but when was Lion International in the business of
foreign distribution. We know they were discussing distribution in 1955
as the deputy managing director Victor Hoare was spruiking his company's
films into the USA in 1955.
Of course we simply don't know what country this poster was for either,
I have checked the Australian papers and The Third Man wasn't actually
released here until about March 1950. At this time I can't find anything
about an original AU1SH or Daybill being used at the time (I know there
will be general sadness with that news in this forum) and the film and
did enjoy a solid run - it also had a re-release here in 1952.
Researching The Third Man at that time is a landmine in itself due to
the fact it is also an important position on a cricket field and
Australia were beating England 4-1 in that year's Ashes...
But I digress... :)
I also have no idea what year the film was released in New Zealand
(where the poster currently resides), nor any other colonies and
therefore it is entirely possible that the poster was for an original
release in one of those colonies.
As to erring on the side of caution, absolutely, we all would like to
see items put up for sale with accurate information, that said he
wouldn't be the first to miss-date a poster, probably every seller and
auctioneer has done that, specially when it comes to the foreign (non
USA) paper.
David
Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 3:46 PM:
Sure thing, Dave.
Better to err on the side of caution, when this kind of asking price
is involved. All may not be as it seems.
Jeff
On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:32 PM, David Rew wrote:
The point about more research should have been done - I'll let the
seller know, or feel free to log on to BIDLL and drop the seller a
note just as you would on eBay, the seller would appreciate the advice.
regards,
*David Rew
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Jeff Potokar wrote on 20/06/2015 2:21 AM:
* The bidll copy also has the same text at the top (as the 50RR),
wherein "A LONDON FILMS PRODUCTION" has been omitted before Korda
and Selznick's name.
* The bidll copy is missing the London Films logo in the lower right
(as is also missing from the 50s RR).
* "Distributed by Lion International Films" is present on the bidll
copy and 50s RR copy, lower left corner, and is present at all on
the '49 copy.
* And when one looks closely at the artwork (the details on the man,
and the orange cityscape behind, the large cloud in the sky) the
artwork is NOT identical; but 2 lightly different versions- shading,
detail, placements of shadows, etc.
* And lastly, the placement of the printer's info, lower right
border is not printed in the exact same location as on the 49 copy
(it is shifted more to the left, beginning under the first leg of
the N of MAN, along with the bidll copy also having the added "and
London" after the name of NOTTINGHAM.
Too many variations... and even if done for colonies, why would all
of the above being missing/different/changed? It's a different piece
entirely than the known HA '49 copy.
More research should be done on this before calling it a "for
certain" '49 original release OS, one would think.
'Tis curious indeed.
Jeff
On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:58 AM, David wrote:
I guess the question for someone more knowledgeable on the Brit
stuff is why is there (on the HA '49) a British Censor's stamp on a
poster that was never designed to be used in the UK - as I
understand it 1shts and 3shts were printed for the colonies not
used in the UK, so no reason to print UK data on it is there?
Anyone?
allen day wrote on 19/06/2015 8:10 PM:
Geez fellas ... looks like a hybrid (in a 10 second comparison).
Logos at bottom left / right on HA's '49 example are on neither of
the other examples, however, the overall colors appear similar to
bidll example and HA '49.
ad
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:45 AM, David <shadow....@gmail.com
<mailto:shadow....@gmail.com>> wrote:
Looks nothing like the 50s re-release here:
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-selznick-r-1950s-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-/a/693-64326.s
Looks like this here:
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/film-noir/the-third-man-london-films-1949-british-one-sheet-27-x-40-here-is-a-real-rarity-a-london-films-british-original-for/a/633-28253.s
cheers
David
Todd wrote on 19/06/2015 5:35 PM:
Isn't this the early 1950's re-release?
I thought the original release had a black background and
also had more color.
I know the last time Heritage sold this poster which was five
years ago, they listed it as an early 1950's re-release and
it sold for $900.
Todd Feiertag
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 09:38:07 +1000
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Subject: [MOPO] [FA] ULTRA Rare English One Sheet - The Third
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An exciting find has just been listed on BIDLL by a known New
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For overseas buyers please note - *_the currency is in NZ$_*
- that's almost chicken feed in most other countries!
Good luck to the all bidders! Or buy now and save yourself
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http://bidll.com/Listing/Details/420722
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