Re: [MOPO] FA: What can I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?

Helmut Hamm Thu, 19 Oct 2023 02:16:45 -0700

Rich and all,

if you are looking for something you can sit on and wait for it to increase in value, movie posters are not for you. But can you think of any other field of investment where this is true?

If you invested in silver ago comics early enough, you made a fortune. I remember buying an Amazing Spider-Man #127 (is it, this was a long time ago?), anyway the first Punisher issue for $10 in the 1980s. Sold it for $50, which even back then was too cheap. These days, it might be worth a couple of grand. On the other hand, people were massively let to collecting brand-new comics back then. They came with the promise of a guaranteed investment, and for a few years, prices went through the roof. The only people who ever made money on these were the comic book dealers.

I sold my 50s scifi and horror movie poster collection about 15 years ago or so, at a time when prices were at all all-time high. Lucky me. On the other hand, I bought a KING OF THE ROCKET-MEN onesheet for over $4,300. I could easily pick up another one for little over $1,000 these days. My copy is on display, I still love it, and I will most likely never sell it, but it most be the biggest single loss I have ever taken on a single poster in the last 30 years. Poor, poor me.

I get questions about movie posters as an investment as well, and my bottom line is: It is possible, but you have to know what you're doing, and you need EXPERTISE. There is no such thing as a 'guaranteed investment' anywhere in this world, if you want that, put your money in the bank at 2% interest rate. And hope the bank does not crash.

Like any other dealer, I have found my share of bargains over the years, more than one poster I found on ebay for $100 and sold s

for $3000 or so the next day. But these were pretty much always very obscure, very special interest pieces the average buyer or collector would not even recognize. I have been making my living selling movie posters for over 25 years, and I do not have a inventory of 300000 posters or something, so you do not have to be a 'major' dealer to survive in this hobby. Again, what it takeas is expertise and aquiring that is a long, long way and a takes a huge amount of legwork.

As to selling with Heritage vs selling with Bruce: The Heritage results do seem impressive, but keep in mind that almost half of that money goes to The Corporation.

Helmut

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urchases in collectibles that result in investments are serendipitous, and myself I never collected posters for anything other Ithan spiritual investment

I only find it funny when people say something is a good investment and then pointing out why they've been a terrible investment. It was just rhetoric of course, but certainly not well thought out message.

as to Forbidden Planet.. Randy Ringenberg had a very nicely backed one at the Columbus show for just $6500 and it did not sell. I don't think it will get down to 1500, but there may still be some savings to come. Maybe by then you can just use some of your dividends, instead of putting them into the reinvestment program for a month and not sell any shares ;-)

On 10/18/2023 8:37 PM, Johnson Tom wrote:

Well..as a collector, I couldn't be happier that prices have stalled out. In 50 years I have never bought a poster as an investment, unless I found an incredible deal that could help me roll it over into something I wanted. I'd be thrilled if the bottom fell completely out of the market. With my finances and collecting field I can only afford to buy a couple of posters a year--if prices dumped further I'd be all over it. I've thoroughly enjoyed selling off my other collectibles that did jump way up in value and using that money to buy movie posters. If posters are an investment to you...guess you shoulda bought Apple at $35 and Amazon at $76 instead of Maltese Falcon at $67,000. oops. I did both of the former. Can't wait to sell my shares for for Forbidden Planet at $1500.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:42 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction <richadmin@mpb.auction> wrote:

your better posters would do much better at Heritage, no question.

On 10/18/2023 7:39 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:

I've told my Niece and Nephew that when I go to send my posters to Bruce.

Explaining, "You'll likely never get what I paid for them but it'll be money in your pocket you wouldn't have had otherwise. Even if it's five bucks, get a cup of coffee and think of me!"

Glenn T.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:30 PM Richard Halegua MPB.auction <richadmin@mpb.auction> wrote:

of all the ridiculous posts I see people make about collectibles in general, and movie posters in particular, this one was an absolute laugh.

Pay attention folks: as far as 'investments' go, movie posters has, sadly, shown itself to be among the least best candidates for a place to invest money and after the author of this post says

"..what is something I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage movie paper?"

the author follows it with

"..it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same or similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both great ones and lesser ones!"

and

"..most are at huge discounts to prices of the same or similar items many years ago!"

does the author not understand that these statements are the opposite of "posters are a good investment"

listen, I'm in this business and have been for a very long time, and I would love for my Raymond Chandler collection, or my German posters for Fritz Lang films or for gosh sakes my many thousands of gambling themed movie posters & lobby cards to be worth an investment, but they aren't. I think I'll be lucky to be able to get anything close to my money back, should I ever be selling these holdings (likely I'll never get there, seeing as I have 300,000 other posters to sell first as well as a couple hundred thousand non poster items from comics to art to any kind of paper you can imagine).

(note: 50s horror & sci-fi has topped out, as has, apparently, Universal horror)

Sure, if you only have Star Wars posters, or a very narrow title range of 1970s-2000's posters, there is some investment value. But as a general rule, poster values are in the negative, not the positive.

Forbidden Planet was a keystone title in posters for decades, but it hasn't really increased in value in any fashion at all, and if the one I sold in 2005 for $8500 is only worth $8500 today, that is not an investment, that is a negative money play, as that $8500, even in just a 2% bank account would be over $13,000 today. Any comic book I could have bought in 2005 for $8500 - and I mean ANY - would be worth at least twice that and more likely is a $20-50k item today. If you bought an $8500 copy of Amazing Fantasy 15 in 2005, it is likely $100k today.maybe more come to think of it.

I wish all the way down to my toes that posters were a good investment, but unless you buy them at low wholesale rates, like dealers do, there is literally no-investment and I think that every dealer, including the one who posted that ridiculous email, knows the truth of this.

movie posters as investment.. what a laugh

"On 10/18/2023 5:47 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:

People keep saying to me "Bruce, what is something I can invest in that has not gone sky high in recent years?". Can I self-servingly suggest vintage movie paper?

It might SEEM like I am saying this because that is my livelihood, but it is 100% true that a LOT of vintage movie posters sell for the same or similar prices that they did 20 or more years ago, including both great ones and lesser ones!

This is something you can't say about just about ANYTHING else, from real estate to the stock market to groceries to oil, to almost EVERY other kind of collectible!

While many of the best examples of comic books or baseball cards or so many other collectibles are "out of sight" to an average person, you CAN still buy a wonderful movie poster for a surprisingly reasonable price!

Want proof? Take a gander at my company's (eMoviePoster.com's) current 3,185 auctions currently running in our 3-part 24th Annual Halloween Auction at https://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html

These 3,185 auctions are FILLED with great horror/sci-fi/fantasy items at every price level, and at the current bid prices, most are at huge discounts to prices of the same or similar items many years ago!

But you can't get those great deals if you aren't bidding, so why not go to the above links RIGHT NOW? We think you will surely find the great rarities and many low prices an irresistible combination!

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