That's nice. M
On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Marsha > > I can see the picture of my face in the water mirror. I can see the waves I > make when I swim. I can float on my back and look down into the sky. But I am > neither a cork, nor a stream. I am the one that chooses, where to swim, the > next word to write, watching for alligators! > > Jan Anders > > 7 sep 2012 kl. 07.28 skrev MarshaV: > >> >> >> "While I am thinking about it there is a very good book on Buddhism recently >> out called 'Buddhism, Plain and Simple', by Steve Hagen and published by >> Tuttle Publishing. I recommend you get it because it shows the similarities, >> between the MOQ and Zen Buddhism more clearly than any other I have seen." >> >> (Pirsig to McWatt, May 6th 1998.) >> >> >> When the Buddha spoke of individuals, he often used a different term >> “stream.” Imagine a stream flowing --- constantly moving and changing, >> always different from one moment to the next. Most of us see ourselves as >> corks floating in a stream, persisting things moving along in the stream of >> time. But this is yet another frozen view. According to this view. >> everything in the stream changes except the cork. While we generally admit >> to changes in our body, our mind, our thoughts, our feelings, our >> understandings, and our beliefs, we still believe, “I myself don’t change. >> I’m still me. I’m an unchanging cork in an ever-changing stream.” This is >> precisely what we believe the self to be --- something that doesn’t change. >> >> The fact is, however, that there are no corks in the stream. There is only >> stream. What we conceptualize as “cork” is also stream. We are like music. >> Music, after all, is a type of stream. Music exists only in constant flow >> and flux and change. Once the movement stops, the music is no more. It >> exists not as a particular thing, but as pure coming and going with no thing >> that comes or goes. >> >> Look at this carefully. If this is true --- how a stream exists, how music >> exists, and how we exist --- see how it is that when we insert the notion of >> “I” we’re posited some little, solid entity that floats along, not as >> stream, but like a cork in a stream. We see ourselves as solid corks, not >> as the actual stream we are. >> >> If we are the stream, what is it that experiences the flux, the flow, the >> change? The Buddha saw that there is no particular thing that is having an >> experience. There is experience, but no experiencer. There is perception, >> but no perceiver. This is consciousness, but no self that can be located or >> identified. >> >> >> (Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, p.128) >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
