Hi Mark
On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:32 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:27 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Dreaming of waking up >> >> Last night Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, spirits soaring he was >> a butterfly (is it that in showing what he was he suited his own fancy?), >> and did not know about Zhou. When all of a sudden he awoke, he was Zhou >> with all his wits about him. He does not know whether he is Zhou who dreams >> he is a butterfly or a butterfly who dreams he is Zhou. Between Zhou and >> the butterfly there was necessarily a dividing; just this is what is meant >> by the transformation of things. (ch. 2, 61) >> >> Everything in this world can be taken as real or not real; or both real >> and not real; or neither real nor not real. This is the Buddha's teaching. >> (MMK 18:8) >> >> >> http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-MISC/101801.htm >> >> A Dream Within a Dream -Edgar Allan Poe > > Take this kiss upon the brow! > And, in parting from you now, > Thus much let me avow- > You are not wrong, who deem > That my days have been a dream; > Yet if hope has flown away > In a night, or in a day, > In a vision, or in none, > Is it therefore the less gone? > All that we see or seem > Is but a dream within a dream. > > I stand amid the roar > Of a surf-tormented shore, > And I hold within my hand > Grains of the golden sand- > How few! yet how they creep > Through my fingers to the deep, > While I weep- while I weep! > O God! can I not grasp > Them with a tighter clasp? > O God! can I not save > One from the pitiless wave? > Is all that we see or seem > But a dream within a dream? > Everything in this world can be taken as Truth or Deception (common); or > both Truth and Deception (Mark); or neither Truth nor Deception (Marsha). > This is the Buddha's teaching. (MHS 18:8) How wonderful! I think you are correct in your final analysis too, though I am not very comfortable with the term 'deception'. This seems to give you the intellectual advantage since it allows you to argue positively for either truth or deception (at your pleasure), while I am left with nothing much to say but 'not this, not that'. I really do believe the path to the Ultimate is found in discovering what is false, but my view is not nihilistic for I do not think that nothing at all exists. Patterns conventionally exist and aren't they wondrous? Curiosity exists and doesn't it represent the root of the intellectual level and the moving beyond? "See for yourself." Thanks for posting Poe's poem; it's great! Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
