Hi all Funny enough I also have some experiences from Florida as I spent some time by a friend in St. Petersburg and Clearwater until I ended up in New Orleans by some strange Cajun women…. If you ever, by accident or what, find your self fooling around in Europe, in some Post-Corona period, you should remember that you’re always welcome to visit me and my wife. We’re living in an old railway station just halfway between Oslo and Stockholm.
bw Jan-Anders > 29 apr. 2020 x kl. 22:21 skrev tim harris <timharrisa...@icloud.com>: > > This is an interesting discussion about Florida as I just finished reading > all of the John D. MacDonald novels I have on hand. > > My name is Tim and I haven’t posted here before. I was reading Lila when I > joined this group and soon after my joining Pirsig died. Pirsig has been the > major author influence in my life and I was reading Lila’s Child a few months > ago, which led me to reread ZMM again, and had started rereading Lila again > when the Pandemic started. In a search to find some lighter reading material > I picked up John D. MacDonald. > > As a commentary on Florida his books are likely second to none. MacDonald was > writing about conservation before Rachel Carson’s ‘Silent Spring’. Along with > this commentary you also get a very well written story with interesting plots > and in depth character development. You also get a good dose of philosophy. > > I had read some of MacDonald’s work when I was young and I loved the books > then, but only now has come to appreciate how good of a writer he was. > > So take care and thanks for having a MOQ forum. > > >> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:43 PM, moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org wrote: >> >> Send Moq_Discuss mailing list submissions to >> moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> moq_discuss-ow...@lists.moqtalk.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Moq_Discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends (Scribe) >> 2. Re: Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends (Adrie Kintziger) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:54:49 -0400 >> From: "Scribe" <scr...@club-hub.com> >> To: <moq_disc...@moqtalk.org> >> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >> Message-ID: <000001d61e4f$47c12be0$d74383a0$@Club-Hub.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Dan and Adrie, >> As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I can testify >> that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions a few, but >> by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times as many of >> them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There is a serious >> infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where Conservative >> northerners retire with their Stepford wives to ride golf carts and complain >> about being taxed for schools. Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh Water >> Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a still >> many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from civilization as >> native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many are still fighting the >> Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of Confederate flags >> rises exponentially as do cars on blocks, roofless trailers, bad teeth, body >> odor, and inbreeding. >> And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. We sweat >> from late March through February. >> As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end road from a >> truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the groan of >> big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of black >> topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but now there are >> hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and Hooter's in her back >> yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an interstate at >> the other. >> There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and mosquitos >> usually found a way in through the open screened windows. We took some >> grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and in the hall of statutes in the >> Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone famous or >> notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which drew a big "Huh?" >> from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who invented >> Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the gators, skeeters, >> and Seminoles in less than a decade. >> As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. That >> said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot. >> We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, Amsterdam, >> Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the Amsterdam airport, >> which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but Amsterdam >> is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be killed by >> a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. Beautiful places, >> and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did stray a bit into >> the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of nowhere. We >> also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's >> graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman and saw the >> buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer museum in >> Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of only two >> signature in the world of Ada Lovelace! >> You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed into full >> blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's climate, I >> write it off to contagion. >> Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for a couple >> of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour of Greece >> in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips from the >> oracle at Delphi... >> It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more will chime in >> and who know what might happen. >> Krimel >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of Dan >> Glover >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM >> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >> >> Hello Adrie, >> >> Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there are still >> many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer they had >> to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live on account >> of the black bear population growing so much and possibly posing a danger to >> human visitors. >> >> That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are originally from >> Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive species that seem to find a >> niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths with their >> thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks on steamers >> back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to Jacksonville in a >> laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild. Now they are >> everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars that grow to >> enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take the boat out >> into the swamps. >> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly pushed >>> to extinction by the use of some agricultural supplements--,there are >>> many apple orchards here , and the farmers used Chloormequat for too >>> long.When i was young the swallows broke the electricitylines by their >>> sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared for nearly >>> 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here at my >>> house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.! >>> Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they adapted >>> to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons. >>> We also have harriers. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier >>> >>> Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from >>> Europe?...they were brought to New York at first. >>> They even have migratory behavier there.. >>> >>> Adrie >>> >>> >>> Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hi Adrie! >>>> >>>> Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can always >>>> spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings displayed >>>> menacingly. When >>> I >>>> first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry with >>>> me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really doing >>>> is >>> drying >>>> their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other >>> waterfowl >>>> like ducks and such. >>>> >>>> One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter. You see >>> him/her >>>> coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then stands >>>> for hours on end staring intently at the water. The intensity of its >>>> glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a >>>> sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with a fish >>>> wriggling in its beak. I am >>> sure >>>> if I had koi, they would be long gone by now. >>>> >>>> The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where vast >>>> mats >>> of >>>> water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy munching >>>> on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee and her calf >>>> visited my canal for a couple days. You see them mostly out on the >> rivers, though. >>>> Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along >>>> with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine falcons as >> well. >>> You >>>> can always tell them by their high-pitched screech. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger >>>> <parser...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello , Dan, long time no see.. >>>>> The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two >>>>> years >>> ago a >>>>> blu heron was able to >>>>> steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is >>>>> still >>> there >>>>> now, with some goldfish.I had >>>>> to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another pest >>>>> here >>>> is >>>>> the great cormorant which >>>>> is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!. >>>>> Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 years or >>>> so,..in >>>>> the yacht harbour. >>>>> >>>>> Adrie >>>>> >>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello old friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't >>>>>> sell, >>>> and >>>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched >>>>>> precariously >>>>> close >>>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my >>>>>> days >>>>> sitting >>>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and >>>>>> blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to >>>>>> Zen and >>> the >>>>> Art >>>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by >>> Salman >>>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part >>>>>> of >>> that >>>>> has >>>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in >>> December >>>>> and >>>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent >>>>>> on >>>> killing >>>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do >>>>>> write >>> now >>>>> has >>>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in >>> that I >>>>> am >>>>>> most likely fooling myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, >>> running, >>>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and >>>>>> dammit >>> if >>>> it >>>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new >>>>>> and >>>> old, >>>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems >>>>>> particularly >>>>> apropos >>>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons. >>>>>> >>>>>> Life is good. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan >>>>>> >>>>>> A rip tide is raging >>>>>> And the life guard is away >>>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today The ocean doesn't want me >>>>>> today (Tom Waits) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger >>>>>> <parser...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. >>>>>>> ,in >>>> the >>>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i >>>>>>> had >>> to >>>> do >>>>>> up >>>>>>> myself (3 yrs work), >>>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went >>>>> silent.Probably >>>>>> i >>>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked >>>>>>> anymore, >>> nor >>>>>> did i >>>>>>> hear anything. >>>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt. >>>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my >>>>>>> bicycle >>>>> daily, >>>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now. >>>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and >>>>>>> with >>>> the >>>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the >>>>>>> Netherlands, >>>> but >>>>>> have >>>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays. >>>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are >>>> patrolling >>>>>> the >>>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for >>>>>>> now >>> is >>>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , on some >>>>>>> distance from each other. Its our >>>>> personal >>>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a >>>>>>> location >>>>> that >>>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ... >>>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included. >>>>>>> Adrie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day >>>>>>>> on the >>>>> MoQ. >>>>>> In >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few >>>>>>>> reflection >>> on >>>>> the >>>>>>> past >>>>>>>> do these days. >>>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my >>>>>>>> true >>> name, >>>>>>> which I >>>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, >>> mostly >>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology >>>>>>>> but >>> also >>>>>>> classes >>>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and >>>>>>>> spent >>>> couple >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar >>>>>>>> plans >>>>> this >>>>>>> year >>>>>>>> but they have been delayed... >>>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. >>>>>>>> When I >>>>> entered >>>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of >>>>>>>> writing a >>> day >>>>> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was >>>>>>>> too >>>>> focused, >>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a >>>>>>>> lot >>> for >>>>>>>> graduate >>>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an >>>>>>>> asshole on >>>>>>> Facebook I >>>>>>>> don't do it much these days. >>>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of >>>>>>>> you, >>>>>> fiercely. >>>>>>>> Krimel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On >>>> Behalf >>>>> Of >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> Kundert >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM >>>>>>>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five >>> since >>>> I >>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>> to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, outside, >>>>>>>> 8 >>> feet >>>>>> away, >>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>> chatted a >>>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the >>>>>>>> many >>>>> copies >>>>>> I >>>>>>>> still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I >>>>>>>> taught it >>> in >>>>>> 2014, >>>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably >>>>>>>> structured >>>> books. >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its >>>>>>> responsiveness >>>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture. >>>>>>>> The >>> real >>>>>>>> nostalgia >>>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of >>>>>>>> my >>> old >>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails. I still >>>>>>>> feel >>>> that >>>>> my >>>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> stylistic >>>>>>>> growth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope everyone is well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> Former Apostate >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> parser >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> parser >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> parser >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.danglover.com >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:43:16 +0200 >> From: Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> >> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >> Message-ID: >> <CAFS_YJ4ZkxtLU0_g4Rzf3RR160=jvdp2nl-1uoa-rywt3xz...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> This posting made my rainy day , Krimel,-an infestation-what a mighty >> stroke of your keyboardbrush! >> I am aware of the temperature in Florida , because i visited Cuba long time >> ago,and it was smokingly hot and humid,they use factor 100 there, >> and we still got sunburn even in the shade, luckily there was always >> wind.They have mildew there , and probably also in Florida, due to the heat >> and humidity- >> indeed, sweating even in one's sleep. >> My wife is a native from Turkey, and sometimes we visit places like >> say,Sanliurfa and Mardin;even hotter than Congo, superdry, absence of wind, >> and high above sea, the temperature is dramatic there. >> Great to hear that you visited the Keukenhof , Krimel , i was there two >> years ago.(we have two gardens in Belgium , that are lesser known, but even >> more beautiful), and yes, people get killed by bicycles >> on a daily basis here.They are everywhere.I have all kinds, elektrical, >> race,mtb , you name it.Broke my wrist in a very nasty way, 2 places last >> year. >> sorry , short of time, have to go for today. >> Adrie >> >> Op wo 29 apr. 2020 om 19:56 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com>: >> >>> Dan and Adrie, >>> As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I can testify >>> that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions a few, >>> but >>> by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times as many of >>> them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There is a serious >>> infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where Conservative >>> northerners retire with their Stepford wives to ride golf carts and >>> complain >>> about being taxed for schools. Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh Water >>> Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a still >>> many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from civilization as >>> native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many are still fighting the >>> Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of Confederate flags >>> rises exponentially as do cars on blocks, roofless trailers, bad teeth, >>> body >>> odor, and inbreeding. >>> And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. We sweat >>> from late March through February. >>> As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end road from a >>> truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the groan of >>> big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of black >>> topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but now there are >>> hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and Hooter's in her back >>> yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an interstate at >>> the other. >>> There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and mosquitos >>> usually found a way in through the open screened windows. We took some >>> grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and in the hall of statutes in the >>> Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone famous or >>> notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which drew a big >>> "Huh?" >>> from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who invented >>> Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the gators, skeeters, >>> and Seminoles in less than a decade. >>> As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. That >>> said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot. >>> We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, Amsterdam, >>> Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the Amsterdam airport, >>> which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but Amsterdam >>> is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be killed >>> by >>> a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. Beautiful places, >>> and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did stray a bit into >>> the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of nowhere. We >>> also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's >>> graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman and saw the >>> buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer museum in >>> Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of only two >>> signature in the world of Ada Lovelace! >>> You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed into full >>> blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's climate, >>> I >>> write it off to contagion. >>> Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for a couple >>> of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour of Greece >>> in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips from the >>> oracle at Delphi... >>> It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more will chime >>> in >>> and who know what might happen. >>> Krimel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of Dan >>> Glover >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM >>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>> >>> Hello Adrie, >>> >>> Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there are still >>> many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer they had >>> to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live on >>> account >>> of the black bear population growing so much and possibly posing a danger >>> to >>> human visitors. >>> >>> That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are originally >>> from >>> Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive species that seem to find a >>> niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths with their >>> thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks on steamers >>> back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to Jacksonville in a >>> laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild. Now they are >>> everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars that grow >>> to >>> enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take the boat out >>> into the swamps. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly pushed >>>> to extinction by the use of some agricultural supplements--,there are >>>> many apple orchards here , and the farmers used Chloormequat for too >>>> long.When i was young the swallows broke the electricitylines by their >>>> sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared for nearly >>>> 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here at my >>>> house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.! >>>> Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they adapted >>>> to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons. >>>> We also have harriers. >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier >>>> >>>> Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from >>>> Europe?...they were brought to New York at first. >>>> They even have migratory behavier there.. >>>> >>>> Adrie >>>> >>>> >>>> Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Adrie! >>>>> >>>>> Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can always >>>>> spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings displayed >>>>> menacingly. When >>>> I >>>>> first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry with >>>>> me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really doing >>>>> is >>>> drying >>>>> their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other >>>> waterfowl >>>>> like ducks and such. >>>>> >>>>> One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter. You see >>>> him/her >>>>> coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then stands >>>>> for hours on end staring intently at the water. The intensity of its >>>>> glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a >>>>> sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with a fish >>>>> wriggling in its beak. I am >>>> sure >>>>> if I had koi, they would be long gone by now. >>>>> >>>>> The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where vast >>>>> mats >>>> of >>>>> water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy munching >>>>> on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee and her calf >>>>> visited my canal for a couple days. You see them mostly out on the >>> rivers, though. >>>>> Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along >>>>> with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine falcons as >>> well. >>>> You >>>>> can always tell them by their high-pitched screech. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger >>>>> <parser...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello , Dan, long time no see.. >>>>>> The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two >>>>>> years >>>> ago a >>>>>> blu heron was able to >>>>>> steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is >>>>>> still >>>> there >>>>>> now, with some goldfish.I had >>>>>> to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another pest >>>>>> here >>>>> is >>>>>> the great cormorant which >>>>>> is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!. >>>>>> Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 years or >>>>> so,..in >>>>>> the yacht harbour. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrie >>>>>> >>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com >>>> : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello old friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't >>>>>>> sell, >>>>> and >>>>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched >>>>>>> precariously >>>>>> close >>>>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my >>>>>>> days >>>>>> sitting >>>>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and >>>>>>> blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to >>>>>>> Zen and >>>> the >>>>>> Art >>>>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by >>>> Salman >>>>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part >>>>>>> of >>>> that >>>>>> has >>>>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in >>>> December >>>>>> and >>>>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent >>>>>>> on >>>>> killing >>>>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do >>>>>>> write >>>> now >>>>>> has >>>>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in >>>> that I >>>>>> am >>>>>>> most likely fooling myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, >>>> running, >>>>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and >>>>>>> dammit >>>> if >>>>> it >>>>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new >>>>>>> and >>>>> old, >>>>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems >>>>>>> particularly >>>>>> apropos >>>>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Life is good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A rip tide is raging >>>>>>> And the life guard is away >>>>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today The ocean doesn't want me >>>>>>> today (Tom Waits) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger >>>>>>> <parser...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. >>>>>>>> ,in >>>>> the >>>>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i >>>>>>>> had >>>> to >>>>> do >>>>>>> up >>>>>>>> myself (3 yrs work), >>>>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went >>>>>> silent.Probably >>>>>>> i >>>>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked >>>>>>>> anymore, >>>> nor >>>>>>> did i >>>>>>>> hear anything. >>>>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt. >>>>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my >>>>>>>> bicycle >>>>>> daily, >>>>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now. >>>>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and >>>>>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the >>>>>>>> Netherlands, >>>>> but >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays. >>>>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are >>>>> patrolling >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for >>>>>>>> now >>>> is >>>>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , on some >>>>>>>> distance from each other. Its our >>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a >>>>>>>> location >>>>>> that >>>>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ... >>>>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included. >>>>>>>> Adrie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com >>>> : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day >>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>> MoQ. >>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few >>>>>>>>> reflection >>>> on >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>> do these days. >>>>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my >>>>>>>>> true >>>> name, >>>>>>>> which I >>>>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, >>>> mostly >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology >>>>>>>>> but >>>> also >>>>>>>> classes >>>>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and >>>>>>>>> spent >>>>> couple >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar >>>>>>>>> plans >>>>>> this >>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>> but they have been delayed... >>>>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. >>>>>>>>> When I >>>>>> entered >>>>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of >>>>>>>>> writing a >>>> day >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was >>>>>>>>> too >>>>>> focused, >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a >>>>>>>>> lot >>>> for >>>>>>>>> graduate >>>>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an >>>>>>>>> asshole on >>>>>>>> Facebook I >>>>>>>>> don't do it much these days. >>>>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of >>>>>>>>> you, >>>>>>> fiercely. >>>>>>>>> Krimel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>> Kundert >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM >>>>>>>>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five >>>> since >>>>> I >>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>> to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, outside, >>>>>>>>> 8 >>>> feet >>>>>>> away, >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM. >>>>>>>>> We >>>>>>> chatted a >>>>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the >>>>>>>>> many >>>>>> copies >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I >>>>>>>>> taught it >>>> in >>>>>>> 2014, >>>>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably >>>>>>>>> structured >>>>> books. >>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its >>>>>>>> responsiveness >>>>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture. >>>>>>>>> The >>>> real >>>>>>>>> nostalgia >>>>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of >>>>>>>>> my >>>> old >>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails. I still >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>> that >>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> stylistic >>>>>>>>> growth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope everyone is well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>> Former Apostate >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> parser >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> parser >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> parser >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.danglover.com >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> parser >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Moq_Discuss@lists.moqtalk.org >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 147, Issue 6 >> ******************************************* > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html