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Jan-Anders > 29 apr. 2020 x kl. 22:57 skrev Jan Anders Andersson <janander...@telia.com>: > > Hi all > > Funny enough I also have some experiences from Florida as I spent some time > by a friend in St. Petersburg and Clearwater until I ended up in New Orleans > by some strange Cajun women…. > If you ever, by accident or what, find your self fooling around in Europe, in > some Post-Corona period, you should remember that you’re always welcome to > visit me and my wife. > We’re living in an old railway station just halfway between Oslo and > Stockholm. > > bw > > Jan-Anders > >> 29 apr. 2020 x kl. 22:21 skrev tim harris <timharrisa...@icloud.com>: >> >> This is an interesting discussion about Florida as I just finished reading >> all of the John D. MacDonald novels I have on hand. >> >> My name is Tim and I haven’t posted here before. I was reading Lila when I >> joined this group and soon after my joining Pirsig died. Pirsig has been the >> major author influence in my life and I was reading Lila’s Child a few >> months ago, which led me to reread ZMM again, and had started rereading Lila >> again when the Pandemic started. In a search to find some lighter reading >> material I picked up John D. MacDonald. >> >> As a commentary on Florida his books are likely second to none. MacDonald >> was writing about conservation before Rachel Carson’s ‘Silent Spring’. Along >> with this commentary you also get a very well written story with interesting >> plots and in depth character development. You also get a good dose of >> philosophy. >> >> I had read some of MacDonald’s work when I was young and I loved the books >> then, but only now has come to appreciate how good of a writer he was. >> >> So take care and thanks for having a MOQ forum. >> >> >>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:43 PM, moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org wrote: >>> >>> Send Moq_Discuss mailing list submissions to >>> moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> moq_discuss-ow...@lists.moqtalk.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Moq_Discuss digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends (Scribe) >>> 2. Re: Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends (Adrie Kintziger) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:54:49 -0400 >>> From: "Scribe" <scr...@club-hub.com> >>> To: <moq_disc...@moqtalk.org> >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>> Message-ID: <000001d61e4f$47c12be0$d74383a0$@Club-Hub.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Dan and Adrie, >>> As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I can testify >>> that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions a few, but >>> by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times as many of >>> them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There is a serious >>> infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where Conservative >>> northerners retire with their Stepford wives to ride golf carts and complain >>> about being taxed for schools. Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh Water >>> Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a still >>> many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from civilization as >>> native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many are still fighting the >>> Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of Confederate flags >>> rises exponentially as do cars on blocks, roofless trailers, bad teeth, body >>> odor, and inbreeding. >>> And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. We sweat >>> from late March through February. >>> As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end road from a >>> truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the groan of >>> big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of black >>> topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but now there are >>> hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and Hooter's in her back >>> yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an interstate at >>> the other. >>> There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and mosquitos >>> usually found a way in through the open screened windows. We took some >>> grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and in the hall of statutes in the >>> Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone famous or >>> notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which drew a big "Huh?" >>> from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who invented >>> Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the gators, skeeters, >>> and Seminoles in less than a decade. >>> As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. That >>> said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot. >>> We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, Amsterdam, >>> Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the Amsterdam airport, >>> which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but Amsterdam >>> is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be killed by >>> a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. Beautiful places, >>> and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did stray a bit into >>> the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of nowhere. We >>> also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's >>> graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman and saw the >>> buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer museum in >>> Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of only two >>> signature in the world of Ada Lovelace! >>> You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed into full >>> blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's climate, I >>> write it off to contagion. >>> Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for a couple >>> of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour of Greece >>> in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips from the >>> oracle at Delphi... >>> It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more will chime in >>> and who know what might happen. >>> Krimel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of Dan >>> Glover >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM >>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>> >>> Hello Adrie, >>> >>> Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there are still >>> many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer they had >>> to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live on account >>> of the black bear population growing so much and possibly posing a danger to >>> human visitors. >>> >>> That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are originally from >>> Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive species that seem to find a >>> niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths with their >>> thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks on steamers >>> back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to Jacksonville in a >>> laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild. Now they are >>> everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars that grow to >>> enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take the boat out >>> into the swamps. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly pushed >>>> to extinction by the use of some agricultural supplements--,there are >>>> many apple orchards here , and the farmers used Chloormequat for too >>>> long.When i was young the swallows broke the electricitylines by their >>>> sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared for nearly >>>> 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here at my >>>> house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.! >>>> Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they adapted >>>> to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons. >>>> We also have harriers. >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier >>>> >>>> Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from >>>> Europe?...they were brought to New York at first. >>>> They even have migratory behavier there.. >>>> >>>> Adrie >>>> >>>> >>>> Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Adrie! >>>>> >>>>> Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can always >>>>> spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings displayed >>>>> menacingly. When >>>> I >>>>> first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry with >>>>> me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really doing >>>>> is >>>> drying >>>>> their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other >>>> waterfowl >>>>> like ducks and such. >>>>> >>>>> One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter. You see >>>> him/her >>>>> coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then stands >>>>> for hours on end staring intently at the water. The intensity of its >>>>> glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a >>>>> sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with a fish >>>>> wriggling in its beak. I am >>>> sure >>>>> if I had koi, they would be long gone by now. >>>>> >>>>> The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where vast >>>>> mats >>>> of >>>>> water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy munching >>>>> on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee and her calf >>>>> visited my canal for a couple days. You see them mostly out on the >>> rivers, though. >>>>> Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along >>>>> with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine falcons as >>> well. >>>> You >>>>> can always tell them by their high-pitched screech. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger >>>>> <parser...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello , Dan, long time no see.. >>>>>> The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two >>>>>> years >>>> ago a >>>>>> blu heron was able to >>>>>> steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is >>>>>> still >>>> there >>>>>> now, with some goldfish.I had >>>>>> to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another pest >>>>>> here >>>>> is >>>>>> the great cormorant which >>>>>> is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!. >>>>>> Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 years or >>>>> so,..in >>>>>> the yacht harbour. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrie >>>>>> >>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello old friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't >>>>>>> sell, >>>>> and >>>>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched >>>>>>> precariously >>>>>> close >>>>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my >>>>>>> days >>>>>> sitting >>>>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and >>>>>>> blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to >>>>>>> Zen and >>>> the >>>>>> Art >>>>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by >>>> Salman >>>>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part >>>>>>> of >>>> that >>>>>> has >>>>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in >>>> December >>>>>> and >>>>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent >>>>>>> on >>>>> killing >>>>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do >>>>>>> write >>>> now >>>>>> has >>>>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in >>>> that I >>>>>> am >>>>>>> most likely fooling myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, >>>> running, >>>>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and >>>>>>> dammit >>>> if >>>>> it >>>>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new >>>>>>> and >>>>> old, >>>>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems >>>>>>> particularly >>>>>> apropos >>>>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Life is good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A rip tide is raging >>>>>>> And the life guard is away >>>>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today The ocean doesn't want me >>>>>>> today (Tom Waits) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger >>>>>>> <parser...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. >>>>>>>> ,in >>>>> the >>>>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i >>>>>>>> had >>>> to >>>>> do >>>>>>> up >>>>>>>> myself (3 yrs work), >>>>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went >>>>>> silent.Probably >>>>>>> i >>>>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked >>>>>>>> anymore, >>>> nor >>>>>>> did i >>>>>>>> hear anything. >>>>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt. >>>>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my >>>>>>>> bicycle >>>>>> daily, >>>>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now. >>>>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and >>>>>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the >>>>>>>> Netherlands, >>>>> but >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays. >>>>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are >>>>> patrolling >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for >>>>>>>> now >>>> is >>>>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , on some >>>>>>>> distance from each other. Its our >>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a >>>>>>>> location >>>>>> that >>>>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ... >>>>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included. >>>>>>>> Adrie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day >>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>> MoQ. >>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few >>>>>>>>> reflection >>>> on >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>> do these days. >>>>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my >>>>>>>>> true >>>> name, >>>>>>>> which I >>>>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, >>>> mostly >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology >>>>>>>>> but >>>> also >>>>>>>> classes >>>>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and >>>>>>>>> spent >>>>> couple >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar >>>>>>>>> plans >>>>>> this >>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>> but they have been delayed... >>>>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. >>>>>>>>> When I >>>>>> entered >>>>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of >>>>>>>>> writing a >>>> day >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was >>>>>>>>> too >>>>>> focused, >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a >>>>>>>>> lot >>>> for >>>>>>>>> graduate >>>>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an >>>>>>>>> asshole on >>>>>>>> Facebook I >>>>>>>>> don't do it much these days. >>>>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of >>>>>>>>> you, >>>>>>> fiercely. >>>>>>>>> Krimel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>> Kundert >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM >>>>>>>>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five >>>> since >>>>> I >>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>> to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, outside, >>>>>>>>> 8 >>>> feet >>>>>>> away, >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM. >>>>>>>>> We >>>>>>> chatted a >>>>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the >>>>>>>>> many >>>>>> copies >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I >>>>>>>>> taught it >>>> in >>>>>>> 2014, >>>>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably >>>>>>>>> structured >>>>> books. >>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its >>>>>>>> responsiveness >>>>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture. >>>>>>>>> The >>>> real >>>>>>>>> nostalgia >>>>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of >>>>>>>>> my >>>> old >>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails. I still >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>> that >>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> stylistic >>>>>>>>> growth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope everyone is well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>> Former Apostate >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> parser >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> parser >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> parser >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.danglover.com >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:43:16 +0200 >>> From: Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> >>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAFS_YJ4ZkxtLU0_g4Rzf3RR160=jvdp2nl-1uoa-rywt3xz...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> This posting made my rainy day , Krimel,-an infestation-what a mighty >>> stroke of your keyboardbrush! >>> I am aware of the temperature in Florida , because i visited Cuba long time >>> ago,and it was smokingly hot and humid,they use factor 100 there, >>> and we still got sunburn even in the shade, luckily there was always >>> wind.They have mildew there , and probably also in Florida, due to the heat >>> and humidity- >>> indeed, sweating even in one's sleep. >>> My wife is a native from Turkey, and sometimes we visit places like >>> say,Sanliurfa and Mardin;even hotter than Congo, superdry, absence of wind, >>> and high above sea, the temperature is dramatic there. >>> Great to hear that you visited the Keukenhof , Krimel , i was there two >>> years ago.(we have two gardens in Belgium , that are lesser known, but even >>> more beautiful), and yes, people get killed by bicycles >>> on a daily basis here.They are everywhere.I have all kinds, elektrical, >>> race,mtb , you name it.Broke my wrist in a very nasty way, 2 places last >>> year. >>> sorry , short of time, have to go for today. >>> Adrie >>> >>> Op wo 29 apr. 2020 om 19:56 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com>: >>> >>>> Dan and Adrie, >>>> As a nearly lifelong Floridian, (It does hurt admitting that) I can testify >>>> that Florida has long been home to invasive species. Dan mentions a few, >>>> but >>>> by far the most pernicious is humans. Today there are 10 times as many of >>>> them in the state as when I entered elementary school. There is a serious >>>> infestation southwest of Dan called the Villages where Conservative >>>> northerners retire with their Stepford wives to ride golf carts and >>>> complain >>>> about being taxed for schools. Sadly, unlike bears the Game and Fresh Water >>>> Fish Commission cannot open a season on them. Dan is right there a still >>>> many wild places here. I hope you are not too far from civilization as >>>> native Floridians are a wild and crazy bunch, many are still fighting the >>>> Civil War. As you move away from cities the number of Confederate flags >>>> rises exponentially as do cars on blocks, roofless trailers, bad teeth, >>>> body >>>> odor, and inbreeding. >>>> And the heat. Did you mention the heat? High 80s is a cold snap. We sweat >>>> from late March through February. >>>> As a lad I grew up across from an orange grove, down a dead-end road from a >>>> truck stop. At night we would fall asleep on sweaty sheets to the groan of >>>> big rigs grinding through the gears headed north on two lanes of black >>>> topped US 98. My mother still lives in the same house but now there are >>>> hotels on either side of her house, a McDonalds and Hooter's in her back >>>> yard. There is a mall on one end of her dead-end road and an interstate at >>>> the other. >>>> There was little of no air conditioning back in the day and mosquitos >>>> usually found a way in through the open screened windows. We took some >>>> grandkids to D.C. a couple of years ago and in the hall of statutes in the >>>> Capitol each state gets to put two statues, usually of someone famous or >>>> notable from the state. One of ours was John Gorrie, which drew a big >>>> "Huh?" >>>> from everyone. Until it is pointed out that this is the dude who invented >>>> Air Conditioning. Without him Florida would return to the gators, skeeters, >>>> and Seminoles in less than a decade. >>>> As you can might guess, I am not on the Florida Tourism Commission. That >>>> said, welcome to Florida Dan. Glad you found a quiet spot. >>>> We visited near Adrie's neck of the wood last year, Brussels, Amsterdam, >>>> Copenhagen and Hamberg.... We stayed at a hotel near the Amsterdam airport, >>>> which turned out to be farther away than I might have liked, but Amsterdam >>>> is crazy. It had never previously occurred to me that you could be killed >>>> by >>>> a bicycle. We went to the flower auction and Keukenhof. Beautiful places, >>>> and what a concept, a theme park without animation. We did stray a bit into >>>> the wild with a tour of a cheese/clog factory in the middle of nowhere. We >>>> also visited Oxford a couple of years ago to see the site of Ant's >>>> graduation debacle. Oh and last summer we drove through Bozeman and saw the >>>> buildings where Pirsig taught. They also have a small computer museum in >>>> Bozeman with and Apple I, signed by Steve Wozniak and one of only two >>>> signature in the world of Ada Lovelace! >>>> You might noted that my previous distain for tourism has morphed into full >>>> blown adoption of the lifestyle. Call it hypocrisy but in today's climate, >>>> I >>>> write it off to contagion. >>>> Starting in April we were supposed to be headed back to Europe for a couple >>>> of months but got stranded with the Covid. Damn, there was a tour of Greece >>>> in there. I was hoping for a touch of Arete, or maybe stock tips from the >>>> oracle at Delphi... >>>> It really is a joy hearing from all of you. With any luck more will chime >>>> in >>>> and who know what might happen. >>>> Krimel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On Behalf Of Dan >>>> Glover >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:59 PM >>>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>> >>>> Hello Adrie, >>>> >>>> Though there's been millions of people moving into Florida, there are still >>>> many wild places here where plants and animals thrive. Last summer they had >>>> to shut down the Ocala National Forest just south of where I live on >>>> account >>>> of the black bear population growing so much and possibly posing a danger >>>> to >>>> human visitors. >>>> >>>> That's interesting about starlings. I was not aware they are originally >>>> from >>>> Europe. Here in Florida there are many invasive species that seem to find a >>>> niche in the ecosystem and become naturalized. Water hyacinths with their >>>> thick woody stems are thought to have come from ballast tanks on steamers >>>> back in the day. Armadillos were originally brought to Jacksonville in a >>>> laboratory setting to study leprosy and escaped into the wild. Now they are >>>> everywhere. Same with domesticated pigs that are now wild boars that grow >>>> to >>>> enormous size. I can hear them alongside the shore when I take the boat out >>>> into the swamps. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:15 AM Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dan, most animals are returning here altough they were nearly pushed >>>>> to extinction by the use of some agricultural supplements--,there are >>>>> many apple orchards here , and the farmers used Chloormequat for too >>>>> long.When i was young the swallows broke the electricitylines by their >>>>> sheer weight.Same story for the starlings,they disappeared for nearly >>>>> 40 years; only for now to come back.Yesterday we had a deer here at my >>>>> house,not seen in the wild in what, -50 years.! >>>>> Strangely, but the falcons here never left,partly because they adapted >>>>> to the urbanisation,and fed on domestic pigeons. >>>>> We also have harriers. >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_marsh_harrier >>>>> >>>>> Did you know the starlings in America are immigrants from >>>>> Europe?...they were brought to New York at first. >>>>> They even have migratory behavier there.. >>>>> >>>>> Adrie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Op zo 26 apr. 2020 om 21:51 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Adrie! >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, long time. Cormorants we have in abundance too. You can always >>>>>> spot them perched ominously on a branch with wings displayed >>>>>> menacingly. When >>>>> I >>>>>> first saw them standing like that, I thought they must be angry with >>>>>> me over some perceived slight. Of course, all they are really doing >>>>>> is >>>>> drying >>>>>> their feathers since they lack the oil producing glands of other >>>>> waterfowl >>>>>> like ducks and such. >>>>>> >>>>>> One blue heron frequents the canal here during the winter. You see >>>>> him/her >>>>>> coming down out of the sky like a falling mountain. It then stands >>>>>> for hours on end staring intently at the water. The intensity of its >>>>>> glare is rather startling, eyes never blinking. Then, all of a >>>>>> sudden, you hear a splash and it comes rising up with a fish >>>>>> wriggling in its beak. I am >>>>> sure >>>>>> if I had koi, they would be long gone by now. >>>>>> >>>>>> The otters here live mainly out on the rivers and swamps where vast >>>>>> mats >>>>> of >>>>>> water hyacinths grow along the banks. Manatees also enjoy munching >>>>>> on the hyacinths as well. Last spring, a mamma manatee and her calf >>>>>> visited my canal for a couple days. You see them mostly out on the >>>> rivers, though. >>>>>> Same with the blue herons. Lots of them out in the swamps, along >>>>>> with egrets and ospreys and eagles. I've noticed peregrine falcons as >>>> well. >>>>> You >>>>>> can always tell them by their high-pitched screech. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:34 AM Adrie Kintziger >>>>>> <parser...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello , Dan, long time no see.. >>>>>>> The blue herons along with the white are a real pest here.Two >>>>>>> years >>>>> ago a >>>>>>> blu heron was able to >>>>>>> steal most of my koi-he only left one in the pond.That one is >>>>>>> still >>>>> there >>>>>>> now, with some goldfish.I had >>>>>>> to cover the whole pond with nets on a permanent base.Another pest >>>>>>> here >>>>>> is >>>>>>> the great cormorant which >>>>>>> is a special guest at the canal here.They own it!. >>>>>>> Few days ago the first otter was spotted in Zelzate in 50 years or >>>>>> so,..in >>>>>>> the yacht harbour. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 21:42 schreef Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com >>>>> : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello old friends, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A couple years ago I sold everything, gave away what I couldn't >>>>>>>> sell, >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> moved from Chicago to Florida. I bought a shack perched >>>>>>>> precariously >>>>>>> close >>>>>>>> to a canal in the swamps just outside Satsuma where I spend my >>>>>>>> days >>>>>>> sitting >>>>>>>> in the sunshine reading and taking photos of gators, otters, and >>>>>>>> blue herons. I was delighted the other day to see a reference to >>>>>>>> Zen and >>>>> the >>>>>>> Art >>>>>>>> of Motorcycle Maintenance in Quichotte (pronounced Key-Shot) by >>>>> Salman >>>>>>>> Rushdie but then again Rushdie seems to read everything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am no longer writing as much as I did up north. I think part >>>>>>>> of >>>>> that >>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> to do with how it is sunny and warm and pleasant here even in >>>>> December >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> January and February whereas in Chicago the weather was intent >>>>>>>> on >>>>>> killing >>>>>>>> me six months out of the year. I also like to think what I do >>>>>>>> write >>>>> now >>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> more quality than the torrent of words I once produced though in >>>>> that I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>> most likely fooling myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am also exercising quite a lot these days: walking, biking, >>>>> running, >>>>>>>> swimming. I daily take a chug from the fountain of youth and >>>>>>>> dammit >>>>> if >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> doesn't seem to be working. Listening to lots of music both new >>>>>>>> and >>>>>> old, >>>>>>>> catch myself cranking up the volume. Miles Davis seems >>>>>>>> particularly >>>>>>> apropos >>>>>>>> to these long and sunny Florida afternoons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Life is good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A rip tide is raging >>>>>>>> And the life guard is away >>>>>>>> But the ocean doesn't want me today The ocean doesn't want me >>>>>>>> today (Tom Waits) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Adrie Kintziger >>>>>>>> <parser...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Matt , and Krimel,and probably more of the usual suspects.. >>>>>>>>> ,in >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> run-up to my retirement and my daughter buying a house that i >>>>>>>>> had >>>>> to >>>>>> do >>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>> myself (3 yrs work), >>>>>>>>> i halted my postings to the list.After some time it went >>>>>>> silent.Probably >>>>>>>> i >>>>>>>>> was peeled out of the onion. Since then, i never checked >>>>>>>>> anymore, >>>>> nor >>>>>>>> did i >>>>>>>>> hear anything. >>>>>>>>> So you are the first ,Matt. >>>>>>>>> I still read many books.I fish extensively.Still riding my >>>>>>>>> bicycle >>>>>>> daily, >>>>>>>>> do about 12000 miles a year.I have the bulk of time now. >>>>>>>>> But its difficult to ride my normal tracks under lockdown and >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Dutch borders closed up-normally i always ride in the >>>>>>>>> Netherlands, >>>>>> but >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> to stay in Belgium nowadays. >>>>>>>>> We cannot fish in the canal under the lockdown,and they are >>>>>> patrolling >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> little forest we have there , so the only thing we can do for >>>>>>>>> now >>>>> is >>>>>>>>> cleaning , pruning the trees and just sit over there , on some >>>>>>>>> distance from each other. Its our >>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>> tranquility base , so we have to guard it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do not know where you live Matt, and Krimel,i hope its a >>>>>>>>> location >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> allows you to weather this viral storms ... >>>>>>>>> Missed you all, Krimel included. >>>>>>>>> Adrie >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Op za 25 apr. 2020 om 19:36 schreef Scribe <scr...@club-hub.com >>>>> : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>>>>>>> Good to hear from you. I too have reflected on the old day >>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>> MoQ. >>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> memory they take shape as Good old days in a way few >>>>>>>>>> reflection >>>>> on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>> do these days. >>>>>>>>>> I left the MoQ after Horse and Ant threaten to reveal my >>>>>>>>>> true >>>>> name, >>>>>>>>> which I >>>>>>>>>> thought was a betrayal of trust. I went to graduate school >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>>>> but dropped out after a six years as an ABD with a master's, >>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>> I got a full time teaching gig. I mostly taught Psychology >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>> also >>>>>>>>> classes >>>>>>>>>> in Communication and Philosophy. I retired last year and >>>>>>>>>> spent >>>>>> couple >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> months in Europe riding trains with my wife. We had similar >>>>>>>>>> plans >>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>>> but they have been delayed... >>>>>>>>>> There is a serious irony for me with respect to the MoQ. >>>>>>>>>> When I >>>>>>> entered >>>>>>>>>> graduate school, I was averaging four or five page of >>>>>>>>>> writing a >>>>> day >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> community. Graduate school gave me writer's block. It was >>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>> focused, >>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>> controlled, it had to be done. Don't get me wrong I wrote a >>>>>>>>>> lot >>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> graduate >>>>>>>>>> school but it was not for fun and other than being an >>>>>>>>>> asshole on >>>>>>>>> Facebook I >>>>>>>>>> don't do it much these days. >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, love me or hate me I miss all of you, well most of >>>>>>>>>> you, >>>>>>>> fiercely. >>>>>>>>>> Krimel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>> Kundert >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:41 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] Best Wishes to All of My Old Friends >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's been three years since I've checked this email and five >>>>> since >>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>> to the listserve. I was just talking to a friend, outside, >>>>>>>>>> 8 >>>>> feet >>>>>>>> away, >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> a fold-out chair I brought with me, and she brought up ZMM. >>>>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>> chatted a >>>>>>>>>> little while about it, and am going to give her one of the >>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>> copies >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> still have squirreled away. I haven't read it since I >>>>>>>>>> taught it >>>>> in >>>>>>>> 2014, >>>>>>>>>> but I still think it is one of the most remarkably >>>>>>>>>> structured >>>>>> books. >>>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>>> been teaching "close reading" for over 10 years now, and its >>>>>>>>> responsiveness >>>>>>>>>> is a sign of its enduring quality of thought and feeling. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But that's just, maybe, the required nostalgic overture. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>> real >>>>>>>>>> nostalgia >>>>>>>>>> I wanted to toss into this still pool was a Hello to any of >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>> old >>>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>>>> and interlocutors who still receive these emails. I still >>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>> that >>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> participation many years ago was integral to my intellectual >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> stylistic >>>>>>>>>> growth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope everyone is well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>> Former Apostate >>>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.or >>>>>>>>>> g >>>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> parser >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> parser >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> parser >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.danglover.com >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> parser >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Moq_Discuss@lists.moqtalk.org >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 147, Issue 6 >>> ******************************************* >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
