I still think the hetrogeneity you are describing attaches to what we are
conscious *of*.
> From: "Peter Lennox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:14:02 +0100
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> Subject: Re: MD comparitive conciousness/ - El
>
> No, I was just thinking about "conciousness" in a general way; it seems to
> me that it isn't one 'thing' or 'process', and isn't consistent in one
> person from one moment to the next, never mind from one person to the next.
> I was using sleep as an example, because, whilst it is popularly described
> as 'unconcious', it doesn't seem to be an 'all-or-nothing' state. Same with
> anaesthesia; experiments have shown physiological reaction to certain
> stimuli (person's own name, voice of loved one, etc), even psychological
> reaction, to the point of a certain degree of arousal - more 'partially
> concious than previously. I'm not sure of your objection to 'comparitive
> conciousness'; are you actually saying it is just one state, on or off? -
> are we talking about the same thing? -
> It's interesting that you draw the distinction between 'concious-ness' and
> concious-of; can one have conciousness by itself? -or must it always be a
> case of 'concious-of'?
> just musing - might be a bit off the beaten track,
> cheers
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "elephant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 05 April 2001 12:41
> Subject: Re: MD comparitive conciousness/ - El
>
>
>> I'm unconscious when I'm asleep.
>>
>> When I am dreaming I am just confused/watching a movie. I am not any less
>> conscious.
>>
>> You are thinking of the phrase "a higher level of consciousness" - this
>> pertains I think to what we are conscious *of*, ie whether dreams or
>> reality.
>>
>> Isn't that the case?
>>
>> El
>>
>>> From: "Peter Lennox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:48:45 +0100
>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: MD comparitive conciousness/ - El
>>>
>>> El-
>>> Are you saying that 'comparitive conciousness' is a strange idea?
> (below)
>>>
>>>
>>> "So, you can claim that there is such a thing as comparatively conscious
> (a
>>> phrase I'd compare to "comparatively pregnant"), but only if you can
> show
>>> that atoms are language users. Somewhat unlikely. But if atoms aren't
>>> language users and thus don't experience SQ there is absolutely no way
> you
>>> can compare the awareness of an atom to the awareness of a scientist to
> come
>>> out with your desired conclusion that a scientist is more aware than an
>>> atom."
>>>
>>> Are you as concious when asleep as when awake?
>>> cheers
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