I think it's inescapable that the possibilities of deep thinking
(comprehension) require wait time and reflection, and that, indeed is a
practice that is mutually exclusive to DI programs.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Ellin Keene <ellinke...@earthlink.net>wrote:

> A quick response to Elisa and Jennifer's posts about the purpose of the
> list
> serv.  I certainly agree with the original, stated purposes (there's a big
> surprise, eh?) for the list serv, but with respect to the scripted programs
> discussion, I do think that the discussion is related to strategy
> instruction in a most critical way.  These programs eat up every minute of
> time that might otherwise be directed to more relevant, timely instruction
> for kids, including comprehension strategy instruction.  In addition, there
> are now programs that script comprehension strategy instruction and I feel
> that we must be able to articulate the research and theory (as I stated in
> my earlier post) in order to stave off purchase of these programs.  While
> it
> may not be useful to merely bemoan the use of the programs, it might be
> very
> useful for people to share what they know about the research (as Nancy did
> today) to help others combat these trends.
>
>
>
> It also occurs to me that comprehension instruction is embedded in a much
> larger context of literacy instruction in all six systems and that people
> are struggling with how/when to fit it all in.  This, again, is why I wrote
> To Understand - to try to show the balance we need to strike between
> comprehension instruction and instruction in word learning, fluency and
> syntax.  It makes sense to me that one of your lines of inquiry on this
> list
> might follow that question - what is the proper balance between
> comprehension instruction and word/sentence level learning.  That said, I
> agree with Jennifer that the discussions of your classroom experiences in
> comprehension are so helpful and I always learn from them - so thank you
> for
> that!!!
>
> ellin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Elisa
>
> Thank you. You are right.
>
> I know you are reflecting the views of many since my mailbox is filling
> with
>
> off-list pleas to bring the list back to a discussion of comprehension.
>
>
>
> I know the discussion we've been having is important and I don't want to
>
> "censor" anyone...but I would like us as a group to reflect upon the
> purpose
> we
>
> were created for...
>
>
>
> If you go to the Mosaic home page, this is what you will find:
>
>
>
> <<The idea  for this group was born out of the teachers taking the journey
>
> through this  instructional paradigm. Wanting to jump right in and get
> started,
>
> but often  feeling unsure and alone, we wanted a forum to share our
> questions,
>
> our joys,  our successes, and our frustrations. Reading the book, Mosaic of
>
>
> Thought, (or any of the other books mentioned above) will  strengthen your
>
> connection to our conversations.
>
>
>
> Some of the most  powerful emails have been when members reflect openly on
>
> the email group about  their teaching. Being reflective ?outloud? on the
> list
>
> is one way to grow  professionally. Try taking the risk to tell us
> specifically
>
> what you are doing.  Talk with us about how you feel the teaching  went and
>
> what you plan to do next. When we share our own thinking  (just like we are
>
> asking our students to do) we often move to a new level of  clarity and
>
> understanding.
>
> Here are the focus  points we welcome discussion about:
>
>    *   comprehension  strategy instruction
>
>    *   questions about  implementation
>
>    *   action research  conducted by teachers based on experiences in
>
> strategy teaching
>
>    *   reading  workshop
>
>    *   authentic  assessment
>
>    *   strategy  instruction as it relates to high stakes testing
>
>    *   professional  reading suggestions/reflections to continue our
>
> learning process
>
>    *   lesson write  ups/book suggestions
>
>    *   online book  talks related to comprehension teaching
>
> We are looking  forward to an active, stimulating, and supportive
> discussion
>
>
> with you on these  topics! Remember- no question is too simple to ask.>>
>
> I appreciate the respectful tone the discussions  take...but I am thinking
> at
>
> this point, we might want to consider the reason we  all came to Mosaic was
>
> to discuss comprehension.
>
> Maybe  it is time we get back to  that...
>
> Jennifer
>
> List moderator
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/20/2009 8:46:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
> elwaingor...@cbe.ab.ca writes:
>
>
>
> What is  interesting to me about this whole thread and sub thread is how
> far
>
>
> away they  have taken us from talk of comprehension and strategy
> instruction.
>
>  Again, we are being led astray to discuss things that don't add anything
> of
>
>
> value to the purpose for which the Mosaic list was established.
>
> Elisa
>
>
>
>
>
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