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Today's Topics:
1. Blink Outdoor Cam (Henry B. Tindall Jr.)
2. Re: Blink Outdoor Cam (Brian J. Murrell)
3. Re: Blink Outdoor Cam (Roger Heflin)
4. Re: Blink Outdoor Cam (Antonio Benci)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:22:44 -0600
From: "Henry B. Tindall Jr." <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Motion-user] Blink Outdoor Cam
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Anyone played with the Blink Outdoor Cam?? All the info I can find says
they use an App, along with the sync Module, which would indicate a
proprietary protocol for transmitting the video.? Makes sense, as they
really make their money off selling you a cloud-based storage for your
video, and would prefer you not use something like motion to eliminate
that requirement... ;)
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*Henry B. Tindall, Jr., SSCP, CISSP, RHCSA
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 12:19:08 -0500
From: "Brian J. Murrell" <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 10:22 -0600, Henry B. Tindall Jr. wrote:
> Anyone played with the Blink Outdoor Cam?? All the info I can find
> says
> they use an App, along with the sync Module, which would indicate a
> proprietary protocol for transmitting the video.? Makes sense, as
> they
> really make their money off selling you a cloud-based storage for
> your
> video, and would prefer you not use something like motion to
> eliminate
> that requirement... ;)
This is the sad state of purchasing cameras these days, IME. Most of
them have proprietary feeds to the cloud and you need a proprietary app
to go to the cloud to see the video that is originating in your own
home! So yes, your video is traversing your Internet connection twice,
and being constricted to sharing whatever bandwidth your Internet
connection has.
This is due to the sad state of what these vendors call the "smart
home" which is in fact not really a "smart home" but rather a
"connected home" in which nothing works without the Internet.
Moreover this "connected home" situation exposes every control you have
in your home (some people even put their door locks out there on the
Internet!) to hackers that can hack the cloud services that all of
these things require. Once hacked, they can turn off your furnace.
Turn out your lights, unlock your doors, look at your camera feeds,
etc. There are lots of stories of the tens-of-thousands of camera
feeds available on the Dark Web.
A lot of these devices are not even built with security in their
design. A lot of times it's bolted on at the end if at all even. Some
have back doors. Some have default passwords.
It's all really quite shocking and scary.
Cheers,
b.
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 15:18:01 -0600
From: Roger Heflin <[email protected]>
To: Motion discussion list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Motion-user] Blink Outdoor Cam
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And you cannot trust the vendors themselves to no suddenly charge more
and/or turn off older devices and/or simply decide to get out of the
business leaving one with a bunch of useless junk.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 11:40 AM Brian J. Murrell <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 10:22 -0600, Henry B. Tindall Jr. wrote:
> > Anyone played with the Blink Outdoor Cam? All the info I can find
> > says
> > they use an App, along with the sync Module, which would indicate a
> > proprietary protocol for transmitting the video. Makes sense, as
> > they
> > really make their money off selling you a cloud-based storage for
> > your
> > video, and would prefer you not use something like motion to
> > eliminate
> > that requirement... ;)
>
> This is the sad state of purchasing cameras these days, IME. Most of
> them have proprietary feeds to the cloud and you need a proprietary app
> to go to the cloud to see the video that is originating in your own
> home! So yes, your video is traversing your Internet connection twice,
> and being constricted to sharing whatever bandwidth your Internet
> connection has.
>
> This is due to the sad state of what these vendors call the "smart
> home" which is in fact not really a "smart home" but rather a
> "connected home" in which nothing works without the Internet.
>
> Moreover this "connected home" situation exposes every control you have
> in your home (some people even put their door locks out there on the
> Internet!) to hackers that can hack the cloud services that all of
> these things require. Once hacked, they can turn off your furnace.
> Turn out your lights, unlock your doors, look at your camera feeds,
> etc. There are lots of stories of the tens-of-thousands of camera
> feeds available on the Dark Web.
>
> A lot of these devices are not even built with security in their
> design. A lot of times it's bolted on at the end if at all even. Some
> have back doors. Some have default passwords.
>
> It's all really quite shocking and scary.
>
> Cheers,
> b.
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:00:08 +1100
From: Antonio Benci <[email protected]>
To: Motion discussion list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Motion-user] Blink Outdoor Cam
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I fully agree with Brian's assessment.
I was recently involved with a dispute against a popular "commercial"
security camera vendor.
The installation and management agent went bust and could no longer provide
access service for the security cameras.
My client asked if the feed from the camera's could be routed through a RPi
running Motioneye. Technically, it could.
BUT, and it was a big BUT
The camera feed, although not encrypted locally, was not accessible as each
camera was password locked (AES256) to the central hub, which no longer
works due to the agent going bust and not providing local access.
We contacted the manufacturer and were met with stoned silence for over a
month (located in Shenzen, China).
Their response was "sorry, proprietary protocol, trade secret, cannot not
help"
So having 6 $1000+ cameras and no access. They were collected, disposed and
replaced with ONVIF compatible cameras.
Such a waste.
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 at 04:38, Brian J. Murrell <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 10:22 -0600, Henry B. Tindall Jr. wrote:
> > Anyone played with the Blink Outdoor Cam? All the info I can find
> > says
> > they use an App, along with the sync Module, which would indicate a
> > proprietary protocol for transmitting the video. Makes sense, as
> > they
> > really make their money off selling you a cloud-based storage for
> > your
> > video, and would prefer you not use something like motion to
> > eliminate
> > that requirement... ;)
>
> This is the sad state of purchasing cameras these days, IME. Most of
> them have proprietary feeds to the cloud and you need a proprietary app
> to go to the cloud to see the video that is originating in your own
> home! So yes, your video is traversing your Internet connection twice,
> and being constricted to sharing whatever bandwidth your Internet
> connection has.
>
> This is due to the sad state of what these vendors call the "smart
> home" which is in fact not really a "smart home" but rather a
> "connected home" in which nothing works without the Internet.
>
> Moreover this "connected home" situation exposes every control you have
> in your home (some people even put their door locks out there on the
> Internet!) to hackers that can hack the cloud services that all of
> these things require. Once hacked, they can turn off your furnace.
> Turn out your lights, unlock your doors, look at your camera feeds,
> etc. There are lots of stories of the tens-of-thousands of camera
> feeds available on the Dark Web.
>
> A lot of these devices are not even built with security in their
> design. A lot of times it's bolted on at the end if at all even. Some
> have back doors. Some have default passwords.
>
> It's all really quite shocking and scary.
>
> Cheers,
> b.
>
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