Dear Mark,

For applying constraints that depend on the truth value of other constraints you may also want to check out Oz' support for Constraint Combinators (http://www.mozart-oz.org/documentation/system/ node44.html#chapter.combinator). Raphael already mentioned or. If you want to make constrainable whether some arbitrary Oz code is executed or not then Combinator.'reify' might be what you are looking for. However, it is less efficient than your plain if statement (it creates a space copy in the background). Here is a simple example (there is no example in the doc): B = 1 if X = Y, and B = 0 if X \= Y.

  B = {Combinator.'reify' proc {$} X = Y end}

Best
Torsten


On Jul 19, 2009, at 10:41 PM, mark richardson wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for your reply.
I really, really wasn't expecting this sort of reply. I'm now in the uncomfortable position of trying to decide exactly what I DO mean :+)

To put the problem into a clearer perspective, it concerns 3 variables A,B and C. A is a FD integer which represents a virtual actor, B is a FS which represents one or more other virtual actors. C is a FD integer which represents an interaction which is possible between virtual actors depending upon characteristics of those agents.
At the moment I'm using the format:

thread
    if C==x then
       <post constraints on A and B to match interaction x>
    end
end

My thought was that I could possibly make speed improvements on this by replacing the 'if' statement with something which would cause the thread to fail sooner - namely the (C==x)=true idea.

Now I'm struggling to decide if saying something completely different semantically by doing this will fundamentally alter the function of my program or even whether I'm structuring my problem logic correctly in the first place.
I think some more thought on this might be in order :+)

Regards

Mark


Raphael Collet wrote:

Dear Mark,

Your two threads simply implement different semantics!  See below:

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:05 PM, mark richardson <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,

I have a constraint based problem that implements constraints as explicitly defined threads. An if statement guards whether the constraint is imposed or not. For example one of the constraints could be something like:

thread
  if B==2 then
     <post some constraint>
  end
end

This threads tries to enforce the logic statement (B==2 and <constraint>) or (B\=2). If B is different from 2, the logic statement is equivalent to 'true'.

My program isn't as simple as this and there IS a good reason why I'm doing things this way :+), but it demonstrates the basic idea.

My question is this (although I can't think of a simplified example to test it with); would the above code block prove more efficient like this:

thread
  (B==2)=true
  <post some constraint>
end

This second threads enforces the logic statement (B==2 and <constraint>). In this case, if B is different from 2, the logic statement is equivalent to 'false'. Therefore both threads are not equivalent from a logic point of view.

Here I'm assuming this thread would signal failure whenever B was not 2 and subsequently fail the space it was in. In other words, are there any efficiency gains to be made by using failure as a guard for the constraint rather than a logic conditional statement? (Obviously I'm talking about a very large number of calls to this thread.)

The first question is: which of the two logic statements correspond to the problem?

For the first semantics, it is possible to use an 'or' statement, and let the posted constraint be evaluated in a subspace.

or B=2 <post some constraint>
[] B\=:2
end

If the posted constraint fails, the 'or' statement will automatically enforce the remaining clause, i.e., B\=2. Note that this technique should be used with care, because it creates more computation spaces, but it can pay off if the posted constraint is likely to fail...

Cheers,
raph



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