Dear Torsten,
Thank you for your initiative and this information.
Viewing the comments is easiest if the Google tollbar is installed
Are comments visible at all without this toolbar?
As I said, apparently there is a 'bookmarklet' available which is a
bookmark you add to your favourites. According to the help site (I
haven't tried this by the way) you simply click on the bookmark and any
sidewiki entries for the current page are displayed. Hopefully this link
http://www.google.com/support/toolbar/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=164493
should point you to the relevant information.
As an example I have posted a comment regarding the {OS.time}
function in
'System Modules -> Os'.
Could you please post a link to the page you are referring to?
Certainly, it is at
http://www.mozart-oz.org/documentation/system/node56.html#chapter.os .
On my browser (with google toolbar installed) this displays the sidewiki
sidebar and a small 'callout' icon next to the {OS.time} definition.
My only concern regarding the format is that it should be a format
that is readable for years. Does this sidewiki facility means that the
data you enter is stored only be Google? What happens is the somehow
change their policy or this product?
I appreciate your concern about this. I presume (without expert
knowledge) that the data is held in some central Google database and a
lookup is made for each URL you visit. I also wondered how the current
migration of the site might be affected, but again I presume that
provided the URL is still mozart-oz.org the actual physical location of
the site would not have any effect. It might be wise to make sure this
is the case before too much is added.
As far as changes in policy/product are concerned I can only make
guesses. I realise this is just another attempt to make the earth
'planet-google' and that this feature could change. Indeed Google could
decide to make Googlemail a paid for service, but I doubt it. In any
event, if the facility is there now and is useful, is it not wise to
make use of it? If Google decide to stop the service in five years we
will be no worse off than we are now (if you disregard the effort
involved) but using the service would certainly make life easier.
And who knows, if we do make a start on this, the documentation for
Mozart 9.9.9 might be world-class because of it. :+)
I would like to think that at some point someone with far more skill
than me will develop a program to mirror a site INCLUDING it's sidewiki
entries.
Regards
Mark
Thank you!
Best wishes,
Torsten
--
Torsten Anders
Interdisciplinary Centre for Computer Music Research
University of Plymouth
Office: +44-1752-586219
Private: +44-1752-558917
http://strasheela.sourceforge.net
http://www.torsten-anders.de
On 17.02.2010, at 11:01, mark richardson wrote:
I think perhaps a little background information about sidewiki might be
in order for anyone who hasn't used it. (I've only started using it the
past few days so I'm no expert!)
Sidewiki is a Google provided facility to post comments regarding
information on a webpage. As other people view the webpage, any entries
made can be viewed without leaving that page. The comments can be made
regarding the whole page or specific items within the page. As an
example I have posted a comment regarding the {OS.time} function in
'System Modules -> Os'.
Viewing the comments is easiest if the Google tollbar is installed
(currently the sidewiki part of google toolbar is available for Internet
Explorer and Firefox browsers). However, according to Google help, there
is a way to view posted articles using what they call a 'bookmarklet'
which avoids the necessity to install Google toolbar.
With the Google toolbar installed, a browser side bar opens whenever a
sidewiki entry is available to view (including a position marker if only
a specific section of the page is commented). Reading the entry simply
involves clicking on the marker.
Reading articles requires no special priviledges but posting new entries
requires at the least a Google sidewiki profile; this may involve an
actual google account being created but I don't suppose that forces
anyone to actually use it for anything else.
I haven't been able to test the 'bookmarklet' option but the toolbar
option seems to work perfectly. It would be good if someone could check
to see if the comment I made about {OS.time} appears properly on their
system.
Regards
Mark
Peter Van Roy wrote:
mark richardson wrote:
Hi everyone,
I hope this isn't going to spark a storm of controversy.
In the past, when I first started using Oz, one of the main problems
I had was with the documentation. Lets say some of it wasn't as clear
as it could be for 'newbies' and there was a lack of clear
'real-world' examples.
I know there's a few examples around if you look hard enough but I
still believe it would be beneficial for new users (and possibly more
experienced ones) to have examples/explanations available directly in
the Mozart documentation; particularly snippets from the user
archives to save searching the archives each time or having similar
questions asked repeatedly.
It's true that there is lots of material that could be helped with
examples. If someone could start up a sidewiki then we could all
pitch in and add things.
I have lots of examples floating around from my various courses that
use Oz. Sometimes they make it into a website but often they don't
(if you haven't seen it, check out the examples on
www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/ds/mitbook.html, for example). A sidewiki
would be a way to capture them.
Peter
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