Xplo Eristotle wrote:

> Amazing how Amazon.com gets all that business, isn't it?

Indeed ;-P

> But if Joe Bratwurstmuncher and his
> ilk all across the country (and likely the world) can buy stuff online
> and not get his credit card ripped off, then either the crackers out
> there are extremely lazy and/or stupid, or you're overemphasizing the
> average user's need to understand online security.

If Joe does not care about his security or privacy, this is his thing. 
You are telling that we should remove the UI, meaning that I have to 
give up my security as well (in the extreme case).

>> Your point seems to be "I want to use this without prior knowledge,
>> without external help and without reading the manual" (since Bob said
>> that help is on the way).
> 
> Congratulations! You're starting to get the idea.

OK, make a concrete proposal how to achieve that *without* compromising 
security or needs of other users.

> Anyone who said
> that good UI design was easy didn't realize that it frequently expects
> the impossible.

I suggest we start with the possible.

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