Hi Andres,

On Tuesday 10 May 2005 14:13, Anders Rundgren wrote:

> >I'm not sure if it's a suitable alternative, but one of the
> >authentication schemes built into browsers etc, allows you to
> >authenticate to websites via x509 client certificates, and you don't
> >need to have any modifications made to browser or server software to
> >achieve it.
>
> Unfortunately not all service providers put an equal-sign between
> authentication and digital signatures.

Digital signatures in the sense you mean are a
cryptographic operation.

Authentication is a higher layer process which is
part of a wider application;  there is no way that
the two could or should be equated in any
sustainable or general sense.

> Although a digital signatures is 
> in this context essentially "a better OK button", the process is in fact
> somewhat stronger as:
> 1. There is (should IMHO be at least) a standardized user experience

IMHO this is irrelevant.  The essence of a signature
is to show that the user was in agreement.  How this
is done is up to the application, and arguably, a
standardised user experience will probably mask the
process rather than surface the agreement.

(I suspect what you are thinking here is that you will
not see widespread adoption unless there is a std
user interface.  That's a separate issue, and it assumes
that there is a large capital cost to the process, something
I'd suggest wasn't the case.)

> 2. There is a cryptographic binding between the user's key/cert and the
> shown & signed  document (as well as some other properties)

Whatever list you come up with, can I sugges a very
simple test:

  Can you convince a court of this?

It's unlikely that you could convince a court of a
"cryptographic binding" ... whatever that is.  On the
other hand, it is possible to design a simple digital
signature that doesn't use crypto at all, and can
convince a court.

> Such SW (including consulting), yearly sells for hundreds of millions of
> dollars so there are some who wants this badly.

A question:  does the software work?  Can you show
examples of contract formation that rely on it?  Or do
they just suffer it?

iang
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