DeMoN LaG wrote:

> Peemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on
> 01 Mar 2002: 
> 
> 
>>I don't see the autocracy in this, but never mind. Of course you
>>can get turned on in the sense that a chemical reaction may start
>>in your body, possibly making you horny as hell, but that is merely
>>stimulus/response, easily achieved in a lot of ways, and it won't
>>last for long. 
>>
> 
> Better to rent a porno than go find a drunk girl, isn't it?


Well, I'm not too sure. Maybe she's got herself drunk for a reason...

> 
> 
>>Well, porn movies definitely are, but there are other movies, as
>>there are music, paintings and concerts, which are not substitutes,
>>rather part of the essence of real life.
>>
> 
> Why?  Why are porn movies a substitute for real life?  In what sense to 
> you think watching people have sex instead of you having sex is any 
> different than watching two people play hockey instead of you playing 
> yourself? 


I don't play hockey myself, but I'm sure there is another quality in 
playing yourself than just watching it.

>  
> 
>>Cp. the answer to the first question. Heroine will bring a much
>>more intense and lasting feeling. It's destructive, of course, but
>>so is porn. Can you explain to me in what way porn is good for you?
>>
> 
> How is porn destructive?  I saw my first porno at age 15, I'll be 19 in 
> a little under two months.  Porn is a good thing because porn can 
> relieve stress and tension and make you feel good.  Can you explain to 
> me in what way porn is destructive to you?


Uh-oh, you're excused because of age. I was also an eager defender of 
porn when I was a teenager. I mean, my friends almost considered me a 
pervert, because I spoke out on behalf of porn and free speech all the 
time.
   Porn is destructive, since it's addictive. This may sound a little 
odd, but I think too much consumption of porn, will make you stupid, a 
freak in a way.

>  
> 
>>>Let's sue Disneyworld too then, they are robbers by your
>>>reasoning. 
>>>
>>
>>Disney world is family friendly, Heather4play is not. You cannot
>>sue everyone for liking your money, and I didn't say that the porn
>>spammers ARE robbers; they are kind of robbers, because they share
>>the same ugly mentality thinking that human beings are there to be
>>exploited. They exploit the boys and girls in the industry, they
>>exploit you as a customer and they exploit this news group, which
>>should be about a web browser and not at all about this stuff!
>>
> 
> Oh shut the hell up.  You are saying it's OK for some people to be 
> robbers but bad for others.  Go take over a third world country or 
> something dude, where you can boss people around.  I don't know about 
> the laws in Sweden, but here in the US we have freedom of speech and 
> expression.  Almost all civilized countries have this law, though not 
> all have it written into their constitution like the US.  What you are 
> proposing is censorship.  Someone else deciding what is good for me.  
> And *that* is far more immoral and destructive than any form of 
> pornography could ever be.  I am an adult.  If I choose to watch other 
> adults have sex for my own entertainment, who the hell are you to tell 
> me it's wrong?


Come on lad, referring to "freedom of speech and expression", while 
beginning with "Oh shut the hell up" isn't very convincing, is it?
   The Swedish laws of freedom of the press is dating back to 1766 and 
already at that time it included a removal of censorship. This is more 
than twenty years before the U.S. constitution gained legal force.
   Less than ten years ago, in the 1990's, there was a heated debate in 
Sweden about a government proposal to ban possession of child 
pornography. Nowadays it's not legal anymore to possess movies showing 
pedophiles fucking two-year-olds, but it was ten years ago. And why? 
Because the Swedish constitution was (and still is) defending freedom of 
speech and expression even for the really bad guys. How about the U.S.? 
Are you allowed to watch porn (in all states), when you are younger than 
21? How about the X-rating? Isn't the age limit 18? In Sweden it's 15... 
I think you should address your complaints to your own federal 
government, instead of accusing me of being a dictator.

> 
> 
>>Que..? Are you calling me a taliban? Should I be offended? Who is 
>>talking about banning porn? My intention was to speak up against
>>those who take porn spammers lightly, and seem to think that they
>>are in fact quite cute.
>>
> 
> I don't consider porn spammers cute.  I don't consider any spammer cute.  
> The fact it is porn does not make it any better or worse than any other 
> spam
> 
> 
/P.M.



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