Pascal Chevrel authored the following: > > > Bundy a dit : > >> Pascal Chevrel authored the following: >> >>> >>> >>> Bundy a dit : >>> >>>> grayrest authored the following: >>>> >>>>> Colin Blake wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can someone on a fast machine count up how many lines of C, C++, XUL, >>>>>> JavaScript, etc Mozilla is now? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> a lot :] >>>>> >>>>> grayrest >>>>> >>>> >>>> Around 10meg+ WITHOUT JAVA or Plugins >>>> >>>> Opera 3.5meg and 11meg with JAVA!! >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kyle >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Kyle, you are really pathetic. Although Opera 6 is a fine browser, it >>> cannot be compare size-wise with mozilla until it includes a >>> mail&news module, an IRC client, a javascript profiler and a webpage >>> editor. >>> >>> Pascal >>> >>> >> >> BLOATWARE ALERT!!!! >> >> IRC Client = bloatware and will never make it to a NS build. It's a >> horrible IRC client to boot, anyone that uses IRC uses MIRC. BTW-It's >> an option to download in Mozilla and adds on top of the 10meg+ download. > > > Many mozilla users use it, if people use it, it is by definition useful.
Bullshit. I go to the Mozilla IRC server, maybe 40 people on it, half of them bots. Dalnet has 100,000 people. > >> >> Webpage Editor = bloatware - should be the users choice to download in >> the first place. everybody knows, it's a piece of shit. > > > Same comment as the one for the IRC client. furthermore, your opinion > are purely based on prejudices and not on facts. If you want to be taken > for a reasonnable person and not an idiot, you should really base your > opinions on facts. Didn't they tell you at school that "this is a piece > of shit" is not The fact is, it should be the users choice to download. Do you have a problem with this? > >> >> Javascript profiler - bloatware, only geeks will ever use that. > > > I use it, I guess I am a geek then. Yes, you must be. Most people don't use it. > >> >> >> Opera does include a mail/news client. >> It's email client is pretty good. >> It's news client is horrible. > > > I guess that it is pure provocation from your part, Opera mail client > totally lacks of ergonomy and features. You can't even create > sub-folders or create HTML messages. The only feature really worth of > interest in opera mail is manual filtering. False statement about Opera email. You can create sub-folders. Email /Manage EMail/ Right click on a folder to create another. Nope, you can't do html unless its raw code. > Opera does not support the DOM and its javascript capabilities are > limited. Its CSS support, although very good, isn't as complete as > mozilla's. back/forward speed is indeed better in Opera but when you use > tabs you almost never use back/forward. but..but..but.... most users use the forward/back button. > > > Yeah, it's like 2 clicks for Opera and 3 clicks for Mozilla. False, a lot are one click or zero clicks (F12 key) > >> Faster loading pages > > > Wrong Correct. > >> WAY faster using the back/forward buttons > > > You already said it > >> Uses far, far less memory > > > True and this is why I advise it for older machines. But with every new > Opera release, the program gets bigger and memory-hungry. When opera has > all of Mozilla features it will use at least as much memory. But who wants IRC and a Composer? Most people don't. Again, users choice, not Mozilla's bloatware. > >> Can be run on slow computers like a 486 > > > Opera 6 is NOT usable on a 486. Opera4/5 was but that's history. Tell that to the 486 DX-2 66 I am running it now. Runs better than NS and IE 4 > >> Tons more skins/themes (if you care about such petty things) > > > XUL is far more powerful than the BMP skinning Opera uses. Ever heard of > cross-platform UI ? Tons more skins in Opera, 80+... Show me 80 skins for Mozilla. > >> A much better and leaner support staff who doesn't have the hate MS at >> all cost attitude. > > > thus a browser is technically better than others because the support > staff share your opinion about Microsoft ? Thank you for this gem :-))) No, a browser that has less people means leaner with less code generally. Also means more expertise.
