In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ian
Hickson says...
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>On Sun, 13 May 2001, JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> lordpixel wrote:
>>> As an aside: Your use of deliberate mispellings (Maozilla) is
>>> unnecessary.
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>> Unnecessarily HI-LARIOUS!
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>Don't flatter yourself.
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Got you to read it.
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>> Take a look at this picture of a Soviet WWII-vintage Yakolev 7-B:
>> http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/yak-7b-color.jpg
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>That's one cool plane!
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Pfhht, that's nothing! Look at all the Luftwaffe's *way* cooler planes:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/index.html
So when's Maozilla getting the swastikas?
>Oh, BTW, it's "Yakovlev" not "Yakolev".
So it is, so it is. In fact, I'd have to guess it actually uses Cyrillic
letters, so you're misspelling it as bad as I am.
> And the Yakovlev Yak-7B was
>one of the most powerful plane of the Soviet Union at the time, so
>don't knock it.
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Ah, who's knocking it?
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>> Replace the white "1" on the side with "MOZILLA.ORG", and you have:
>> http://www.mozilla.org/banners/mozilla2_03.gif
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>Hey, you're right, one of our banners is reminiscent of a very fast,
>pretty small, very powerful plane with a long range. Excellent! Nice
>to see that we have such high aspirations!
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Again, why so half-assed? The Luftwaffe's planes were better yet! "Maozilla
Uber Alles!"
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>> And when I first saw it, I wondered aloud "what's with the commie
>> graphics?". Assuming Mozilla was a successful product, which do you
>> think would be the majority reaction amongst users?
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>In all likelihood, none, since Mozilla is not targeted at "users" but
>at "distributors". Thankfully, distributors tend to be much more
>interested in the technical abilities of the product they will be
>using rather than any possible political parallels that may be found
>in the project's artwork.
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Yeah, you just keep tellin' yourself that.
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>> Do you have any idea what Soviet==Communism is all about? *Any*
>> idea? Clearly not, so let me put it this way: if we were in, say,
>> the now-defunct USSR, or even present-day China, having this
>> discussion, I'd probably have a govenment-issued 7.62mm pistol
>> bullet in my forehead by now. Why? Because I "questioned authority".
>> Because I "asked the wrong questions".
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>I think you might be confusing "communism" with "dictatorship".
A rose by any other name....
> It is
>true that many dictatorships have arisen in communist political
>climates, and under the false label of "communism", but that is merely
>because humans as a whole are easily fooled.
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>Communism itself is one of several models of ideal societies -- one
>where there is no poverty, where everyone is equal, and where work is
>evenly distributed amongst the people. Unfortunately, due to flaws in
>our race (for example, laziness, greed, and gullibility), few
>communist societies have lasted very long. (The most successful tend
>to be small, isolated tribes with low technology.)
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You are exposing your ignorance of history my friend. Communism is Marxism
bastardized into dictatorship. Nothing more.
>> And you think it's OK for Mozilla to be associated with that.
>> Jinkies.
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>We should be proud to be associated with an ideal model for society.
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"Freedom has many difficulties, and democracy is not perfect. But we have never
had to put a wall up to keep our people in." - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
>(Free software projects (including Mozilla) often naturally end up
>following another model for society, namely meritocracy.
Mozilla is not a Free Software project. It is an "Open Software" project.
Don't kid yourself.
> Of course,
>free software projects are not full societies, merely communities, so
>they are able to stay as meritocracies without turning into "evil".)
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Are they?
>> Can't be you, you don't even realize the evils of Communism.
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>Clearly not. How can shared wealth, equal work and no poverty be evil?
>Oh wait, you're talking about dictatorships again. Sorry.
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"There are many people in the world who really don't understand - or say they
don't - what is the great issue between the Free World and the Communist world.
Let them come to Berlin. There are some who say that Communism is the wave of
the future. Let them come to Berlin. And there are some who say, in Europe and
elsewhere, "We can work with the Communists". Let them come to Berlin. And
there are even a few who say that it's true that Communism is an evil system,
but it permits us to make economic progress. La�t sie nach Berlin kommen." -
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
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>BTW, I noticed that you are not using your real e-mail address:
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BTW, I notice you place a great deal of import on somebody's email address.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's no "netscape.com" on there.
>Is this because you are too ashamed of your trolling to do it without
>a veil of anonymity?
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Not at all. I simply didn't figure anybody had anything to say to me that
they'd be ashamed to say in public.
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JTK
"Yes, we did produce a near perfect Republic. But will they keep it,
or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom."
-- Thomas Jefferson
