Gervase Markham wrote:

Amir Herzberg wrote:
> It is not an issue of fairness, it is an issue of open process. I am
> indeed disappointed to find that Mozilla is not acting openly. As a
> believer in open process, I am concerned that the result may be
> suboptimal.

I would like the process to be more open. I hope and expect that in the future, it will be. However, to achieve the goal, it can't be open right now.

> This is not the way to encourage innovation. In fact, this
> situation, which was not even disclosed openly during this lengthy
> discussion,

As I said, some of those involved are reticent about their involvement. And I hope the occupants of this newsgroup won't go shooting their mouths off in blogs and on Slashdot.

> puts Heikki's advice on `develop code` in rather strange
> light.

Not at all. Just because we're not in a position to accept your code now doesn't mean it's not valuable.

> I'm not planning to stop coding (yet), but I think you should
> have indicated that at least the Mozilla group thinks that working in a
> closed committee will be more effective

Please don't make it so black and white - it's not. I personally don't think a closed group is any more effective, but I'm not the only person with a view on the question.

Gerv

I am a newcomer who knows a little bit about group process. It has been fascinating to watch this newsgroup at work--brilliant minds and powerful egos working toward similar goals. I am reminded of a debate in the English parliament. Rather than viewing the current impasse in terms of betrayal and trickery I think a more charitable approach might be the model of "culture clash". How does a group accustomed to open process communicate and negotiate with another group whose approach is proprietary and secretive? What rules apply? Which compromises are life-enhancing rather that life-threatening? This is a very old dilemma. I sincerely hope this discussion continues, for trust is important to me.
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