Here's your basis on which Minneaplis' and baseball's economics are NOT
compatible.

First, from Bud Selig's own mouth:

"Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig said Friday that six to eight baseball
teams were in danger of going out of business if baseball's broken
economic system is not fixed."

Baseball's fundamental economic system is broken - that's one heck of a
statement. Its fundamental economic system is based on corporate welfare
to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars - and even that is not
enough to keep these flailing behemoths afloat.  If baseball is broken,
it is not Minneapolis' or any other city's, county's, or state's
business to keep throwing money at it to keep it going.  At best, that's
a temporary bandaid which will create great risk to the community of
losing the team anyway, not getting repayments on money lent or rental
revenue promised, and being stuck footing the bill for the remaining
payments on the empty stadium & amenities such as parking that have been
built to support it.

The economics are simple - tickets + TV/radio + concessions + memorabila
= revenue.  These aren't keeping pro ball teams solvent now.  Building
new stadia won't change that - all you'll have is a more expensive
venue, which will require higher ticket prices, which will create even
less of an incentive to go.  What has always been an incentive for
people to attend games - a winning team, which we have seen here in MN
when the Twins were doing well - isn't even enough.  Case in point:  the
Montreal Expos - "although the team has done well on the field,
attendance and interest in the team is virtually non-existent."  If a
winning team won't get people into the bleachers, a more expensive seat
at a new stadium won't magically create an even greater incentive that
will bring 'em in.  A new stadium will not increase TV revenue, or any
other incidental sales. The same people who watched remotely will still
watch remotely, and the same people willing to spend $x on baseball
stuff will still be willing & able to spend the same amount. So, now
that it's all up to basic math - higher costs WITHOUT a resulting
revenue jump that is FAR GREATER than, not equal to, those higher costs,
means only more losses.

Second, Robert Schmid discussed quite adequately the fact that downtown
businesses aren't getting all that much additional revenue out of
sports, and I've already covered (so I won't again) the fact that before
we had pro sports & all the ridiculously high downtown taxes, we had a
bustling downtown, and now it's a ghost town.  Not to mention the fact
that Minneapolis residents are sick of being shafted so that
non-residents can enjoy themselves at our expense.

Third, and more important, is that Minnesota, its counties, and its
cities are all facing huge revenue shortfalls.  We are laying off
teachers, decreasing school bus service, cutting basic necessary
administrative functions at all levels of government, cutting back on
transportation & infrasturcture spending, not issuing Section 8 housing
vouchers because so few landlords will accept them that they aren't
worth the paper they're written on, not putting money into public health
or affordable housing, and on & on.  Excuse me, but...

IT IS SHEER <BLEEP>ING ARROGANCE TO MAKE THE CASE FOR A BASEBALL STADIUM
SPENDING WHEN OUR CITIZENS' BASIC NEEDS AREN'T BEING MET.  

Raise the funds to pay for all these things, and then MAYBE it would a
viable time to START a discussion about such wasteful luxuries.  Most
Minneapolitans (and Minnesotans) get no benefit from the Twins.  Huge
numbers couldn't afford to take their families to a game even if they
cared.  Pro sports are a white, middle-class, elitist luxury, and it's
time that their fans get the picture that if they can't pay for their
own toys, they'd better give them up rather than expecting the general
public to suffer for them.  Those who need a baseball fix locally can go
visit the Saints.

Go Twins - and Take the Vikings With You,
Roxana Orrell
Central



>Message: 8
>From: "James E Jacobsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:05:10 -0500
>Subject: [Mpls] baseball ghosts
>

>        Ref a century ago, when players had day jobs, there wasn't 
>television then -yielding $80 million a year and broadcasting the game
=
>all over. 
>         In spite of those that are negative, In whatever time period 
>required, the stadium -without extra taxes- would not only pay for 
>itself it will contribute greatly to the community, in that it does 
>bring in people, and it provides additional use and patronage to the 
>already built parking ramps, hotels, bars and restaurants in the area,
>not to mention theatres and etc.  
>         And without the Twins, there would be a heavier burden on tax
>payers to make up the loss of revenues on parking ramps and for the 


>lessor tax collections in all categories.  
>         I would like to know on what factual basis the economics of 
>baseball and of Minneapolis are 'very likely' not compatible now. 
>        James E Jacobsen // Whittier
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