C.A. Tripp's THE HOMOSEXUAL MATRIX points out that both the birth rate and the amount of male-male sex is highest in Arab lands. So it is not even true that banning sex between members of the same gender is necessary to keep the birth rate high, let alone that keeping the birth rate high was the reason for the ban on same gender sex. Societies' moral codes do not develop by people discussing and deciding to ban something such as same gender sex because of what is thought to be its effect on the birth rate. The social processes that lead to the development of a society's moral code are not that rational. Robert Halfhill Loring Park
http://halfhillviews.greatnow.com (SITE NOW BANNED ON AOL)*Write AOL to complain, here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://halfhillblog.blogspot.com http://www.thepen.us -- Dyna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wizard noted: I suspect that, within not too long a time, there will be discoveries stemming from the Human Genome Project that show sexual identity to have genetic markers. Thanks, Wizard The more I study history the more convinced I am that anti gay bigotry had it roots in social mores that maybe made some sense a century or two ago, when taken with a few shaker fulls of salt. Let's go back to mid 19th century Minneapolis. Your family is trying to survive on 40 acres in what will become Minneapolis, having immigrated here from the old country where you're lucky to find an acre to till between the mountains. You have no birth control and no sex education either, but with half your children not even surviving to adulthood and 40 acres to till with a draft animal or two you need all the help you can procreate. Lord knows, with the weather turning cold at least one family member is kept busy just keeping the stove stoked, never mind milking the cow and gathering the eggs. So even though you weren't interested in the opposite sex the elders arranged a marriage, and though you'd been having sex with others of your sex for years, you went along. There weren't a whole lot of opposite sex partners in the township to choose from, and you didn't want to spend your declining years as a discarded old bachelor or maiden like the ones you'd made love with. A few decades pass, the civil war takes your spouse, and you have to sell the farm to survive. Just as well, as your surviving children can barely keep up with bringing in water, tending the stoves, and doing the wash. That's when your progeny isn't off working the standard 16 hour workday 6 days a week. So despite being queerer that a three dollar bill, you tell them to get married, knowing they'll probably follow the railroads west and leave you behind to age and die alone. You lose a grandchild to world war one, and another is disabled by syphilis. Then the flu epidemic of 1918 takes your only two great grandchildren. You busy yourself getting the remaining bachelors and bachelorettes among your offspring married off. And you pass on these moral values that maybe made sense to your ancestors to those offspring. Comes the 21st century and the stove has a thermostat and you could ignore it for the whole winter if you want. The clothes and even dishes are washed by machine, and cooking is done with a keyboard on a microwave. Sex is optional, with more than enough children surviving to maintain the species and then some. With survival a given, any combination of genders can marry or not marry, and separate also if needed. But the bigots of the religious right are still playing by their ancestor's 18th century rules, and insisting by force of law that everyone else do likewise. studying history from a queer perspective in Hawthorne, Dyna Sluyter REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
