Pavel, while it may seem somewhat counterintuitive, it's not terribly
uncommon for a user who can change security access to something to not have
access to that thing. Yes, they can change the access, but the hope is that
this would be caught through some sort of reporting/logging. The other
advantage of doing this is that it prevents accidental modification of some
critical queue data; if you needed to do those modifications, you would at
that time do the setmqaut and then turn it back off when you're done.

This may not be irrelevant here anyway. Since setmqaut sets access at the
group level and, I presume, you could set the permissions on setmqaut so
that group could not run it while the owner could, it would be possible to
stop a user in the mqm group, but is not mqm himself, from running setmqaut
to reset permissions.

Just my take on this issue, based on doing other security stuff that's not
MQ... Rebecca

Rebecca Bullock
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David,

First, I seems to me I tried all those tricks while ago and found mqm is a
God.

Second, logically mqm is not in the ACLs from the very beginning (check with
dspmqaut), so deleting him from there should not change anything (just an
educated guess)

Third, even assuming mqm could be deleted from .. whatever, why whould s/he
be able to add him/herself back .. there.. using that very setmqaut?
(another educated guess).

All those considerations are valid for Unix and (if I am not mistaken)
Windows. I am not sure about other platforms.

Hope this will help,
Pavel




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Rick,

Hmmm... that sounds like it *is* possible, but use at your own risk - can
anyone confirm?

Thanks
David

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