Yes but I was belittling the issuer domain security, and you said that
if they didn't have it, people's cards would get TERMINATED and people
could damage the cards, both of which can happen even with the issuer
security domain (and in fact because of it).

I'm envisioning cards being used for e-commerce being wiped out by
malicious programs that detect a card being inserted, and then purposely
use a bogus key 15 times on the security domain.

On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 13:05 -0400, Michael StJohns wrote:

> At 12:51 PM 6/17/2009, Daniel Benoy wrote:
> >Aren't you able to also break the card by failing to open a secure channel 
> >to the issuer domain a certain number of times?
> 
> Wouldn't you think the issuer might consider that you were trying to hack the 
> card if that happened?  There's no legitimate reason for a true end-user to 
> try and connect to the issuer security domain.
> 
> 
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