Bravo! 2006/3/28, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I don't think this was "leveled" at any one person, more at the system. I > see it as a difficulty with people's perceptions in general, not just MB. > > There are those people that are more active in the list/IRC/moderating also > automods are more noteworthy in general, and why shouldn't they be? They > have done their fair share and more of keeping MB going and evolving! Then > there are those that hang back more in the quiet areas, making moderations > and reading the list, sometimes giving input, sometimes not. They may be > involved with the programming side of it, may or may not enter IRC, may be > making monetary contributions or not, perhaps it's simply names change > between email/musicbrainz/IRC chat channels/paypal donations etc. Do we all > know what the other person does, besides what we see with names coming up > more and more on the list, the mods, etc? Maybe we could find a kudo chart > for donations, mods and the like to attach to email names too. :D (just > kidding) > > At some point people feel they're adding to MB but some are more noteworthy > than others. There is a certain cliquish nature about MB, those "in and > known" and those that are on the fringes. Flawless mod records don't for > good suggestions make, that person may not listen to artists with a major > subscription following. Just as when you shift artists the MB voters and > moderators viewpoints _do_ change, not fully on the style guidelines, but > due to quick votes for multiple artist's subscriptions, or instant kill on a > foolish mistake that could be edited given a mod note entered. This is going > off of personal experience. Some moderators are much more patient and > willing to teach than others, and some moderators just need to see your name > pop up a few dozen times to realize you're dedicated rather than just > entering one or two ads from freedb to get your files tagged. (BTW that is > not a low shot at taggers that as well moderate, it is more leveled at > moderators without email addresses, one shot additions that seem to come and > go throughout the varied artists.) > > On a more serious note; perhaps instead of labeling people whiners and the > squeaky wheel, perhaps we need to find a way to show how involved people in > MB are, even on the list, and IRC, and programming, and moderating etc. Or, > step back and realize the MB crowd ranges all ages and people aren't trying > to flame any one person. Step back, read once again and say, is this at me, > or a general statement? Should I respond or should I let it go? Perhaps a > personal response to another user to seek clarification instead of > responding on the list would be best? Flaming doesn't build, and I don't > truly think there would be as many misunderstandings if people put aside > their personal feelings and read things in a more neutral light. > > Beth aka Nyght > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don > Redman > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:36 AM > To: MusicBrainz style discussion > Subject: Re: [mailing] Re: Call for StyleSecretary Help: Let's > trydiscussing/decidingthisin IRC (was [mb-style] add instrumentrequest: > vacuum cleaner) > > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:03:12 +0200, Marco Sola wrote: > > > Or full agreement, like when an instrument is played by a secretary. > > Sorry if it seems rude but it simply what I tought when I saw that > > strange armonica go straight to live. > > Stop. I was not involved at all in adding the Chromatic Harmonica. When > Lukas sent his mail, I supplied him with the proof that there are > 5+ albums with this instrument played, simply because I was able to do so > out of the box. > > This has nothing to do with my being the secretary. > > I then added that if you make the distinction between the Chromatic > Harmonica and others, you need to add the Diatonic Harmonica, too (at > least if you want this to make sense to people who know a bit about > harmonicas). > > I try to keep a neutral point of view in all these debates, and I have > opened up to all criticism that got voiced in the last months. So, I do > not think this accusation is fair. > > I'll say it again: > MusicBrainz is not a democracy, nor a bureaucracy. Like in any other open > source project, status comes from merrit, from having done good work, from > good collaborations. > > Lukas has done a lot of good work allover MB incluidng the AR types. Yes, > there are a couple of times when he changed a type or attribute earlier > than I would have done it. But he always took the full responsibility for > this and nobody has criticised him in this respect, yet. This is someone > who has done good work, and I treat him accordingly. > > While I did not share Robert's oppinion, that Brian was whining, before, I > now feel that "looks whose whining now.." discredits him with respect to > good collaboration and correct behavior on mailing lists. > I am not saying that I will not collaborate with him anymore, just that > what has happened here is now part of his heritage and this will shape the > way I will treat him. That's normal, that's how online communities work, I > expect the same from anyone else here. > > And I would really appreciate if people would stop flaming. > > DonRedman > > -- > Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: > Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation > around! :-) > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > _______________________________________________ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >
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