That's a good start! Ok some points:
1.) Regarding Opera works, IMO, I hate having the Opera separated into tracks as is the case on CDs and having that replicated into our Works repertoire. I would prefer to if the we divide the Opera into logical parts (such as Act I, II or Scene I, II) and all the Arias, Rectivo, etc... be linked to the "bigger" work using the "Partial" Recording -> Work. Since this would only be at the works level, the recording and tracks level can keep that info. 2.) This is a can of worms I know, but different languages in classical works is a problem. Ideally we should standardize on the most accepted internationally recognized version (almost always English for most works) and have the various translations (including the original composer's language) added as aliases with localization. To be clear, I'm referring mainly to the non-titled works or the non-titled parts (ie Symphony No. 5 in B-Major, String Quartet No. 15, Sonata for Piano & Violin, etc...) Reasons: - Consistency, consistency. It's impossible to have consistency across composers in various languages. It would be nice for example if Mozart's, Beethoven's and Tchaikovsky's Symphonies all follow the same style. - The various languages makes editing more difficult and exclusive, not only at the works level, but also when adding releases when we link with works. OR 2.a) (Out of scope for this discussion) If we do decide to stick with the original language for works title, then the UI will need to more easily show the English translations for anyone not familiar with said language.. 3.) Regarding catalog numbers, although the ultimate solution will be to have the catalog data stored independently as I've already suggested in another thread, what would the style be when there's multiple catalogs? Should the Opus (if available always be listed first with additional catalogs added in '()'? Should this be flexible on a per-composer basis? 4.) We need to decide once for all certain naming conventions that are both valid but for consistencies sake should be singled out to one (across all works for all composers) Examples: - Sonata for Piano ... vs Piano Sonata ... - Piano Concerto ... vs Concerto for Piano ... Sebastien On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, symphonick <symphon...@gmail.com> wrote: > Have to start somewhere... first, let's see if we can agree on goals. > Everything IMO: > > Ideally, MB should record the title of a work as it exists in print from a > reliable source, such as a recent urtext edition. Adding to or altering a > title given by the composer should be avoided. > > As we currently have no field for catalogue numbers & those are an > important part of identifying a work, the standard catalogue is added to > the title. > > Examples: > Carmen > An den Mond D 468 > Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben BWV 147 > „Wie unglücklich bin ich nit“ K. 147 (125g) > Gymnopédie No. 1 > Москва, Черемушки, Op. 105 > L'oiseau de feu > > Q: always use a comma as delimiter, or use the local standard for the > language in question? & how about opus for the international examples? > > > Aliases: For titled works, use only if the work is known locally under a > different name. > English aliases for the examples above: > Carmen (no alias) > An den Mond D 468 (no alias) > Heart and lips, thy whole behaviour, BWV 147 (printed alias from > Bärenreiter) > „Wie unglücklich bin ich nit“ K. 147 (125g) (no alias) > Gymnopédie No. 1 (no alias) > Moscow, Cheryomushki, Op. 105 > The Firebird > > > Disambiguation: use the comment field to separate different versions with > the same title (by the same composer). Not necessary if the catalog > numbers differs. > > Examples: > Appalachian Spring (Ballet) > Appalachian Spring (Orchestral suite) > Nun komm der Heiden Heiland, BWV 599 > Nun komm' der Heiden Heiland, BWV 659 > > > Multi-part works: The title of the main work must be repeated in the > parts, otherwise one composer could have a lot of works named only > "allegro", which would currently be difficult to work with. > Exceptions: Songs are often published in books/collections with one opus, > often with generic titles like "3 songs for SATB, Op. 8". We want that as > a super-work for UI reasons, but the works linked to a "collection" should > not have their titles formatted as a multi-part work. > > Examples: > Nixon in China: Act 3 "I am no one" > Ciclo brasileiro: Impressões Seresteiras > Winterreise D. 911: Gute Nacht > Auf Flügeln des Gesanges, op. 34 no. 2 > > > Q: Dramatic roles are not part of the title. Can we agree on using the > annotation, or does anyone really want: > Nixon in China: Act 3 "I am no one" (Mao, Chou, Kissinger, Chiang Ch'ing, > Pat, Nixon) > Q2: Delimiters? > > > Enough for now. Feel free to suggest guideline-worthy language. > > /symphonick > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
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