We should clearly keep classical out of this debate, since "arrangement" in classical also stands for everything we'd call "cover performance" in other music styles. In Classical the ongoing discussion whether a specific arrangement or orchestration qualifies as a new derivative work tends to ask for at least two distinct recordings. For non-classical music I could imagine that one of the criteria for such a decision could be: Are there (or could there be) *cover performances* of this specific version? Only then should a new "arrangement" or "orchestration" or "remix" qualify as a new work. Thoughts?
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Calvin Walton <calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca>wrote: > On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 21:19 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > 2011/5/20 Nikki <aei...@gmail.com> > > Aurélien Mino wrote: > > > It was planned to add "Arranger" at work level too after NGS > migration, > > > exactly for this situation. > > > See > > > > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Next_Generation_Schema/Track_Relationships_Conversion#Artist-Track > > > > > > It just has not been added yet. > > > > It's been more than 2 months, but a discussion with Jesus2099 made me > > realize this: a new arranger should not be considered as a sufficient > > reason to create a new Work. AFAIK the rules for considering 2 > > recordings are still being discussed, but a new arranger is not a > > reason IMO. > > One of the worst cases for this issue regarding whether arrangements are > new works comes in with a particular subgenre of game remix music - > Touhou arrange music. > > An example of a work where this occurs is > http://musicbrainz.org/work/255e9094-da2f-3f1f-bc5b-9258a2a630d7 > (Note that the original version of this song was a midi file included > with the game.) Take a look at the artist 'ZUN' for more. > > Many of the linked recordings are instrumental arrangements of > instrumental songs. Most are recognizably the same song. Some are > difficult to tell apart. Some sound like they might as well be new songs > - except that the arranger says that it was based on a particular > original track. Sometimes the arrangement is based on multiple original > tracks. > > Some of the linked recordings add vocals. Due to the way works on > musicbrainz are set up, all of the arrange tracks that have vocals would > have to be added as a new work. > > Due to a bug in the NGS conversion, if a cover version of a song > included a lyrics AR that the original version didn't have, a new work > would be created for the cover, and the cover recording would be linked > to /both/ the new work and the original work. An example of where this > happened is > http://musicbrainz.org/recording/99da4375-1b86-4dac-96d3-f3dbe7883d21 > (This is a new work "Now & Forever" based on two separate original > instrumental works "今昔幻想郷 ～ Flower Land" and "眠れる恐怖 ～ > Sleeping Terror", and had lyrics added as well. It needs to be cleaned > up.) > > -- > Calvin Walton <calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca> > > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >
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