On 27.2.2013 14:07, symphonick wrote: > Can you try to dig up some real-world > examples?
Some Sibelius pieces (these aren't all in MB yet): --- A. Scaramouche, op. 71 (1913 for narrator and orchestra) (2 recordings?) B. (partially based of A) Scaramouche, op. 71: Danse élégiaque (1914 for piano) (1 recording?) C. (based of B) Scaramouche, op. 71: Danse élégiaque (1925 for violin and piano) (2 recordings?) C has similar piano parts with B. Composer used B as a source for the C arrangement. A isn't based of C and there would be no links between them. --- A. Cantique, op. 77 no. 1 "Laetare anima mea" (1914 for violin or cello and orchestra) (many recordings) B. (based of A) Cantique, op. 77 no. 1 "Laetare anima mea" (1914-1915 for violin and piano) (1 recording?) C. (arrangement of B) Cantique, op. 77 no. 1 "Laetare anima mea" (1916 for cello and piano) (2 recordings?) On C piano part is identical with B, only difference is part for cello (not from A). C isn't an arrangement of A, it's well documented to be arrangement of B. --- A. Jääkärien marssi, op. 91a (1917 for male choir and piano) (1 recording?) B. (arrangement of A) Jääkärien marssi, op. 91a (1918 for male choir and orchestra) (many recordings) C. (arrangement of A) Kaartin jääkäripataljoonan marssi (1920 for piano, arr. Oskar Merikanto) (many recordings) B and C are both based of A but it doesn't have enough recordings. You might think it could be saved by "common ancestor to two works which are in the MB database". But currently no one has added C to MB. There isn't 2 ancestors. If I would add only A, someone could merge it because of "no 2 ancestors". This means that editors would need to know all of these versions and add them all at once or someone could merge them. This makes no sense. Challenge yourself and try to find a page listing all these 3 with Google. I can provide more similar examples. It's similar situation with all the composers and non common versions. --- A. Skogsrået, op. 15 (1895 for narrator, piano, 2 french horns and string orchestra) (many recordings) B. (partially based on A) Skogsrået, op. 15a (1895 for orchestra) (1 recording?) C. (arrangement of B) Skogsrået, op. 15a (1895 for piano) (3 recordings?) D. Skogsrået, JS171 (1888-1889 for voice and piano) (1 recording?) It's well documented how Sibelius arranged C based of B. D doesn't have anything to do with other works. If we don't have B and D listed, other works get easily mixed and linked with relationships to wrong recordings. -- These examples are from pieces by Sibelius but it's the similar case with most of the classical composers who used tens of years for composing. - ListMyCDs _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
