Dear Reza Jan Salaam, According to our prophet SAW, those who don't know are worser than animals and so it is logical that they will learn from animals as well as pushing others to do so. Our duty in this regard is to be carefull and obey the lord god and his messenger. Again Salaam from Afghanistan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I DO NOT believe that homosexuality is natural, that animals practice it because I have never seen them do it and there havent been any scientific proof to support it. BUT EVEN IF IT IS TRUE, why should we look at animals to set standards of our values? Would we declare consentual incest and phedophilia legal if animals do them?? May be some people have natural drive for homosexuality but it can not be treated as justification for homosexual behaviour. I believe that it is a test from Allah. Some people may be born poor or phisically disabled, they may have psychological drive for stealing or committing suicide, but they are not allowed to do it, because everything we get from Allah in this life, good and bad, is a Test from Allah and we have to act according to His rules. We then should help those who tend to homosexuality to be back to the normal path, just like we have to help the poors, the disables and those others that suffer life difficulties.. Salam, Reza - Jakarta On 5/3/05, ludwina harahap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I got an article about animal homosexual from a friend. Now i copied to be an > interesting/comprehensif topic to discuss in this groups. > > Here it is: > > Hi Adam. > > Indeed some animals are, at least according to observations by some > scientists, in particular, Bruce Bagemihl. > > Here's a complete article from the Time Magazine. I found it at: > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,23309,00.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Gay Side of Nature > > Even as moralists and activists continue to debate homosexuality, many > > species casually practice it > > BY JEFFREY KLUGER > > Giraffes do it, goats do it, birds and bonobos and dolphins do it. Humans > beings--a lot of them anyway--like to do it too, but of all the planet's > species, they're the only ones who are oppressed when they try. > > What humans share with so many other animals, it now appears, is freewheeling > homosexuality. For centuries opponents of gay rights have seen same-gender > sex as a uniquely human phenomenon, one of the many ways our famously > corruptible species flouts the laws of nature. But nature's morality, it > seems, may be remarkably flexible, at least if the new book Biological > Exuberance (St. Martin's Press), by linguist and cognitive scientist Bruce > Bagemihl, is to be believed. According to Bagemihl, the animal kingdom is a > more sexually complex place than most people know--one where couplings > routinely take place not just between male-female pairs but also between > male-male and female-female ones. What's more, same-sex partners don't meet > merely for brief encounters, but may form long-term bonds, sometimes mating > for years or even for life. > > Bagemihl's ideas have caused a stir in the higher, human community, > especially among scientists who find it simplistic to equate any animal > > behavior with human behavior. But Bagemihl stands behind the findings, > arguing that if homosexuality comes naturally to other creatures, perhaps > it's time to quit getting into such a lather over the fact that it comes > naturally to humans too. "Animal sexuality is more complex than we imagined," > says Bagemihl. "That diversity is part of human heritage." > > For a love that long dared not speak its name, animal homosexuality is > astonishingly common. Scouring zoological journals and conducting extensive > interviews with scientists, Bagemihl found same-sex pairings documented in > more than 450 different species. In a world teeming with more than 1 million > species, that may not seem like much. Animals, however, can be surprisingly > prim about when and under whose prying eye they engage in sexual activity; as > few as 2,000 species have thus been observed closely enough to reveal their > full range of coupling behavior. Within such a small sampling, 450 represents > more than 20%. > > That 20% may spend its time lustily or quite tenderly. Among bonobos, a > > chimplike ape, homosexual pairings account for as much as 50% of all sexual > activity. Females especially engage in repeated acts of same-sex sex, > spending far more than the 12 or so seconds the whole transaction can take > when a randy male is involved. Male giraffes practice necking--literally--in > a very big way, entwining their long bodies until both partners become > sexually aroused. Heterosexual and homosexual dolphin pairs engage in > face-to-face sexual encounters that look altogether human. Animals as > diverse as elephants and rodents practice same-sex mounting, and macaques > raise that affection ante further, often kissing while assuming a coital > position. Same-gender sexual activity, says Bagemihl, "encompasses a wide > range of forms." > > What struck Bagemihl most is those forms that go beyond mere sexual > gratification. Humboldt penguins may have homosexual unions that last six > years; male greylag geese may stay paired for 15 years--a lifetime commitment > when you've got the lifespan of a goose. Bears and some other mammals may > bring their young into homosexual unions, raising them with their same-sex > partner just as they would with a member of the opposite sex. > > But witnessing same-sex activity and understanding it are two different > things, and some experts believe observers like Bagemihl are misreading the > evidence. In species that lack sophisticated language--which is to say all > species but ours--sex serves many nonsexual purposes, including establishing > alliances and appeasing enemies, all things animals must do with members of > both sexes. "Sexuality helps animals maneuver around each other before making > real contact," says Martin Daly, an evolutionary psychologist at McMaster > University in Ontario. "Putting all that into a homosexual category seems > simplistic." > > Even if some animals do engage in homosexual activity purely for pleasure, > their behavior still serves as an incomplete model--and an incomplete > explanation--for human behavior. "In our society homosexuality means a > principal or exclusive orientation," says psychology professor Frans de Waal > of the Yerkes Primate Center in Atlanta. "Among animals it's just > nonreproductive sexual behavior." > > Whether any of this turns out to be good for the gay and lesbian community is > unclear. While the new findings seem to support the idea that homosexuality > is merely a natural form of sexual expression, Bagemihl believes such > political questions may be beside the point. "We shouldn't have to look to > the animal world to see what's normal or ethical," he says. Indeed, when it > comes to answering those questions, Mother Nature seems to be keeping an open > mind. END > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For something more try this website: > > http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990807/queercreat.html > > I found the following article funny and amusing so you should try it. > > It's about Dashik and Yahuda, two male vultures, who have raised two baby > birds. Here's the address: > > http://www.cnn.com/NATURE/9909/18/gay.vulture.parents/index.html > > And finally here's the address to my own website for further links and > > opinions. > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/7063 > > Arash E. > > Cellular Biology and Genetics > > University of British Columbia > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Save Aceh now! visit http://www.pusatkrisisaceh.or.id > Click English section for contact Islam Relief Organizations > > Want to learn about Islam and Christian? > visit: http://come.to/christian-islam > > Yahoo! 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