Dear Mujeeb, Agree. I want to add that it is our duty also to remind and inform them bout the right path...
Wassalam, Reza On 5/15/05, mujeeb ahmad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Reza Jan > > Salaam, > According to our prophet SAW, those who don't know are worser than animals > and so it is logical that they will learn from animals as well as pushing > others to do so. Our duty in this regard is to be carefull and obey the lord > god and his messenger. > > Again Salaam from Afghanistan > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I DO NOT believe that homosexuality is natural, that animals practice > it because I have never seen them do it and there havent been any > scientific proof to support it. BUT EVEN IF IT IS TRUE, why should we > look at animals to set standards of our values? Would we declare > consentual incest and phedophilia legal if animals do them?? > May be some people have natural drive for homosexuality but it can not > be treated as justification for homosexual behaviour. I believe that > it is a test from Allah. Some people may be born poor or phisically > disabled, they may have psychological drive for stealing or committing > suicide, but they are not allowed to do it, because everything we get > from Allah in this life, good and bad, is a Test from Allah and we > have to act according to His rules. > We then should help those who tend to homosexuality to be back to the > normal path, just like we have to help the poors, the disables and > those others that suffer life difficulties.. > > Salam, > Reza - Jakarta > > On 5/3/05, ludwina harahap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I got an article about animal homosexual from a friend. Now i copied to be > > an interesting/comprehensif topic to discuss in this groups. > > > > Here it is: > > > > Hi Adam. > > > > Indeed some animals are, at least according to observations by some > > scientists, in particular, Bruce Bagemihl. > > > > Here's a complete article from the Time Magazine. I found it at: > > > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,23309,00.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Gay Side of Nature > > > > Even as moralists and activists continue to debate homosexuality, many > > > > species casually practice it > > > > BY JEFFREY KLUGER > > > > Giraffes do it, goats do it, birds and bonobos and dolphins do it. Humans > > beings--a lot of them anyway--like to do it too, but of all the planet's > > species, they're the only ones who are oppressed when they try. > > > > What humans share with so many other animals, it now appears, is > > freewheeling homosexuality. For centuries opponents of gay rights have seen > > same-gender sex as a uniquely human phenomenon, one of the many ways our > > famously corruptible species flouts the laws of nature. But nature's > > morality, it seems, may be remarkably flexible, at least if the new book > > Biological Exuberance (St. Martin's Press), by linguist and cognitive > > scientist Bruce Bagemihl, is to be believed. According to Bagemihl, the > > animal kingdom is a more sexually complex place than most people know--one > > where couplings routinely take place not just between male-female pairs but > > also between male-male and female-female ones. What's more, same-sex > > partners don't meet merely for brief encounters, but may form long-term > > bonds, sometimes mating for years or even for life. > > > > Bagemihl's ideas have caused a stir in the higher, human community, > > especially among scientists who find it simplistic to equate any animal > > > > behavior with human behavior. But Bagemihl stands behind the findings, > > arguing that if homosexuality comes naturally to other creatures, perhaps > > it's time to quit getting into such a lather over the fact that it comes > > naturally to humans too. "Animal sexuality is more complex than we > > imagined," says Bagemihl. "That diversity is part of human heritage." > > > > For a love that long dared not speak its name, animal homosexuality is > > astonishingly common. Scouring zoological journals and conducting extensive > > interviews with scientists, Bagemihl found same-sex pairings documented in > > more than 450 different species. In a world teeming with more than 1 > > million species, that may not seem like much. Animals, however, can be > > surprisingly prim about when and under whose prying eye they engage in > > sexual activity; as few as 2,000 species have thus been observed closely > > enough to reveal their full range of coupling behavior. Within such a small > > sampling, 450 represents more than 20%. > > > > That 20% may spend its time lustily or quite tenderly. Among bonobos, a > > > > chimplike ape, homosexual pairings account for as much as 50% of all sexual > > activity. Females especially engage in repeated acts of same-sex sex, > > spending far more than the 12 or so seconds the whole transaction can take > > when a randy male is involved. Male giraffes practice > > necking--literally--in a very big way, entwining their long bodies until > > both partners become sexually aroused. Heterosexual and homosexual dolphin > > pairs engage in face-to-face sexual encounters that look altogether human. > > Animals as diverse as elephants and rodents practice same-sex mounting, and > > macaques raise that affection ante further, often kissing while assuming a > > coital position. Same-gender sexual activity, says Bagemihl, "encompasses a > > wide range of forms." > > > > What struck Bagemihl most is those forms that go beyond mere sexual > > gratification. Humboldt penguins may have homosexual unions that last six > > years; male greylag geese may stay paired for 15 years--a lifetime > > commitment when you've got the lifespan of a goose. Bears and some other > > mammals may bring their young into homosexual unions, raising them with > > their same-sex partner just as they would with a member of the opposite sex. > > > > But witnessing same-sex activity and understanding it are two different > > things, and some experts believe observers like Bagemihl are misreading the > > evidence. In species that lack sophisticated language--which is to say all > > species but ours--sex serves many nonsexual purposes, including > > establishing alliances and appeasing enemies, all things animals must do > > with members of both sexes. "Sexuality helps animals maneuver around each > > other before making real contact," says Martin Daly, an evolutionary > > psychologist at McMaster University in Ontario. "Putting all that into a > > homosexual category seems simplistic." > > > > Even if some animals do engage in homosexual activity purely for pleasure, > > their behavior still serves as an incomplete model--and an incomplete > > explanation--for human behavior. "In our society homosexuality means a > > principal or exclusive orientation," says psychology professor Frans de > > Waal of the Yerkes Primate Center in Atlanta. "Among animals it's just > > nonreproductive sexual behavior." > > > > Whether any of this turns out to be good for the gay and lesbian community > > is unclear. While the new findings seem to support the idea that > > homosexuality is merely a natural form of sexual expression, Bagemihl > > believes such political questions may be beside the point. "We shouldn't > > have to look to the animal world to see what's normal or ethical," he says. > > Indeed, when it comes to answering those questions, Mother Nature seems to > > be keeping an open mind. END > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For something more try this website: > > > > http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990807/queercreat.html > > > > I found the following article funny and amusing so you should try it. > > > > It's about Dashik and Yahuda, two male vultures, who have raised two baby > > birds. Here's the address: > > > > http://www.cnn.com/NATURE/9909/18/gay.vulture.parents/index.html > > > > And finally here's the address to my own website for further links and > > > > opinions. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/7063 > > > > Arash E. > > > > Cellular Biology and Genetics > > > > University of British Columbia > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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